{"id":39667,"date":"2022-04-27T20:01:59","date_gmt":"2022-04-28T04:01:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/?p=39667"},"modified":"2022-04-27T20:01:59","modified_gmt":"2022-04-28T04:01:59","slug":"veterans-for-peace-seeks-to-manage-discourse-on-ukraine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2022\/04\/27\/veterans-for-peace-seeks-to-manage-discourse-on-ukraine\/","title":{"rendered":"Veterans For Peace Seeks To Manage Discourse on Ukraine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i>The danger of government-tied monopolistic tech platforms controlling worldwide speech far outweighs the danger of whatever voice you might happen to dislike at any given moment. ~&nbsp;<\/i>Caitlin&nbsp;Johnstone<\/p>\n<p>On April 14, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.veteransforpeace.org\/\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">Veterans For Peace<\/a><\/em> Advisory Board Member and former CIA analyst <a href=\"http:\/\/raymcgovern.com\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">Ray McGovern<\/a> along with long-time VFP member and <em><a href=\"http:\/\/space4peace.org\/bruce-gagnon\/\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">Global Network<\/a><\/em> coordinator <a href=\"http:\/\/space4peace.org\/bruce-gagnon\/\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">Bruce Gagnon<\/a> joined former Pentagon analyst <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/darkside\/interviews\/maloof.html\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">F. Michael Maloof<\/a> on Peter Lavelle&#8217;s <em><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/_FkP7QV3GkY\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">Cross Talk<\/a><\/em> for a much-needed, nuanced conversation of the Ukraine conflict timeline. Both Ray and Bruce had spent considerable time in Donbass, as well as other parts of Ukraine, which made their contributions to this <em>Cross Talk<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/odysee.com\/$\/embed\/crosstalk-heading-toward-war\/d708ce88e43b6dfc5cd34d5c9e8677e9adeac5e0?r=2rryQkZFqEz9b7QSqqYMmZBiq8JeQcms\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">episode<\/a>, <em>Heading Toward War<\/em>, all the more absorbing, and Facebook shareable.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_39670\" style=\"width: 570px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-39670\" src=\"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/mcgovern-rt.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"560\" height=\"330\" class=\"size-full wp-image-39670\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/mcgovern-rt-300x177.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/mcgovern-rt.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 560px) 100vw, 560px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-39670\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><i>Notice Ray McGovern (above) wearing the VFP logo? Do you expect to hear Kremlin propaganda?<\/i><\/p><\/div>\n<p>Oddly enough, though not totally unexpected, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/7022432921\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">VFP Discussion Group<\/a> moderators determined that the content of this panel discussion, posted on April 22 by a lifetime VFP member on this private Facebook group site, did not make the cut for generating a nuanced discussion. Labeled &#8220;<em>A sober analysis of the Ukrainian debacle, including the escalating potential for a nuclear exchange,<\/em>&#8221; the post apparently did not comply with group protocols. So it was arbitrarily removed. Disappeared. Gone.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ZsMxSfKNqMk\" title=\"YouTube video player\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>The moderators&#8217; wobbly attempt at feedback: &#8220;<em>RT<\/em> has been identified as a not credible source in recent years, but rather a state run Russian mis- and dis-information operation.&#8221; The implication being that a long list of <em>RT<\/em> contributors like Ray McGovern, Bruce Gagnon, VFP Advisory Board member Chris Hedges, Lee Camp, Joe Lauria and others had been collaborative, even ceding to Kremlin misinformation. Or could it be more accurately called a fear-based or ideological acquiescence to the pro-war narrative managers?<\/p>\n<p>In a recent interview piece with VFP Advisory Member Chris Hedges, Matt Taibbi describes the Hedges\/RT affiliation:&nbsp; <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;<em>By the 2010s, one of the last places where media figures pushed off the traditional career track could pick up a paycheck was&nbsp;Russia Today<\/em>. In an arrangement Hedges plainly describes as a cynical marriage of convenience, the Russian state was happy to give voice to figures covering structural problems in American society, and those quasi-banned voices were glad for the opportunity to broadcast what they felt is the truth, even understanding the editorial motivation.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Needless to say, with the advent of the Ukraine debacle, the entire six-year archive of Chris Hedges\u2019 <em>RT<\/em> America interview show <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rt.com\/shows\/on-contact\/\" rel=\"nofollow ugc noopener\">On Contact<\/a><\/em> was removed by <em>YouTube<\/em>, as he suggests, <em>\u201din the name of censoring Russian propaganda.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>\u201cThey know it is not Russian propaganda,\u201d says Hedges. \u201cWe rarely mentioned Russia or Putin, and the few times we did it was not in flattering terms. It&#8217;s much more pernicious than that. RT gave a platform to a critic such as myself&#8230;It was a show that gave a voice to critics of the United States ruling class and the US empire. They knew I was not disseminating Russian propaganda, unless critiquing the ills of American society serves Russia&#8217;s interest. To an extent it does. That&#8217;s of course why RT gave me a show. But in a functioning democracy with a free press, that is the precise role of the press.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>So when &#8211; if ever &#8211; was a Pentagon imprimatur a prerequisite for any Veterans For Peace discourse in cyberspace? Yet, regrettably, this is how far down the thought policing rabbit hole liberals, even self-censoring antiwar progressives, are apparently willing to descend.<\/p>\n<p> As luck would have it, this post will be shared even more widely. Maybe. You never know. McGovern and Gagnon will continue to inspire and inform as tireless antiwar contributors at any venue giving them a voice, upholding the first provision of the VFP Statement of Purpose: <em>&#8220;To increase public awareness of the causes and costs of war.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>And truth, always the first casualty of war, is still indisputably the truth, no matter its origin or social media platform.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><em>Gene Marx is a former Naval Flight Officer and Past National Board of Directors Secretary of Veterans for Peace. He is currently the Communications Coordinator for Bellingham&rsquo;s VFP Chapter 111. He can be reached at <a href=\"mailto:ejmarx2@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ejmarx2@gmail.com.<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The danger of government-tied monopolistic tech platforms controlling worldwide speech far outweighs the danger of whatever voice you might happen to dislike at any given moment. ~&nbsp;Caitlin&nbsp;Johnstone On April 14, Veterans For Peace Advisory Board Member and former CIA analyst Ray McGovern along with long-time VFP member and Global Network coordinator Bruce Gagnon joined former [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":302,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"coauthors":[],"class_list":["post-39667","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-news"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"meta_box":{"disable_donate_message":"","custom_donate_message":"","subtitle":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39667","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/302"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39667"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39667\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39669,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39667\/revisions\/39669"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39667"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39667"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39667"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/coauthors?post=39667"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}