{"id":41293,"date":"2022-12-11T22:09:58","date_gmt":"2022-12-12T06:09:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/?p=41293"},"modified":"2022-12-11T22:09:58","modified_gmt":"2022-12-12T06:09:58","slug":"us-intelligence-community-and-conflict-with-russia-ray-mcgovern-alexander-mercouris-glenn-diesen-and-benjamin-abelow","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2022\/12\/11\/us-intelligence-community-and-conflict-with-russia-ray-mcgovern-alexander-mercouris-glenn-diesen-and-benjamin-abelow\/","title":{"rendered":"US Intelligence Community and Conflict With Russia \u2013 Ray McGovern, Alexander Mercouris, Glenn Diesen, and Benjamin Abelow"},"content":{"rendered":"

What follows is a welcome comment by Benjamin Abelow on a discussion held last Monday (Dec. 5) with Glenn Diesen, Alexander Mercouris, and Ray McGovern. Ben is the author of the recent How the West Brought War to Ukraine<\/em> (see: www.BenjaminAbelow.com<\/a> ) Abelow\u2019s remarks follow:<\/p>\n

AN UNBELIEVABLY GOOD DISCUSSION<\/p>\n

his is really one of the very best discussions I\u2019ve heard about the Ukraine war, US-Russia policy, and the like, with three very smart and well-informed persons. It features, especially, Ray McGovern, but the other two have brilliant things to say as well.<\/p>\n

Briefly, McGovern (aside from having a wonderfully dry sense of humor) is a 27-year CIA veteran, now retired. He ran the Russia desk in the CIA\u2019s analytic (information gathering and analysis) wing (as opposed to their \u201coperations\u201d wing), and was personal briefer to the president during Reagan\u2019s presidency. On his retirement, he was awarded the CIA\u2019s Intelligence Commendation medal, which he returned in protest over the CIA\u2019s use of torture. In 2003 he co-founded VIPS \u2014 Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity \u2014 to warn the U.S. president that the intelligence he was receiving on Iraq was fraudulent, though his warnings were not heeded and Iraq was invaded on false pretexts. Among the members of VIPS is William Binney, who served at the NSA as a senior technical director.<\/p>\n

The first part of the discussion provides a thorough debunking of Russiagate. In that context, let me say to my progressive friends that McGovern himself is a liberal and has stated that he considers Donald Trump to have been a horrifically bad president. That said, I highly recommend to everyone (regardless of political affiliation) that you listen to the first 15 minutes. But then the interview \/ discussion moves on to other topics \u2014 also brilliantly. This discussion is so good that it really could take the place of a Saturday-night movie on Netflix.<\/p>\n

Even if you hate consuming content in video or audio, the first 15 minutes are really special:<\/p>\n