{"id":43632,"date":"2023-08-22T07:03:01","date_gmt":"2023-08-22T15:03:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/?p=43632"},"modified":"2023-08-22T15:36:17","modified_gmt":"2023-08-22T23:36:17","slug":"more-from-oppenheimer-script-now-published-a-fictional-laugh-line-and-missing-victims","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2023\/08\/22\/more-from-oppenheimer-script-now-published-a-fictional-laugh-line-and-missing-victims\/","title":{"rendered":"More from &#8216;Oppenheimer&#8217; Script, Now Published: A Fictional Laugh Line \u2013 and Missing Victims"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><i>Reprinted with permission from Greg Mitchell\u2019s newsletter <a href=\"https:\/\/oppenheimer2023.substack.com\/\">Oppenheimer: From Hiroshima to Hollywood<\/a>.<\/i><\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"captioned-image-container\">\n<figure>\n<div class=\"image2-inset\">\n<picture><source srcset=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 424w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 848w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 1272w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 1456w\" type=\"image\/webp\" sizes=\"100vw\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"sizing-normal\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg\" sizes=\"100vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 424w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 848w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 1272w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg 1456w\" alt=\"\" width=\"780\" height=\"438\" data-attrs=\"{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com\/public\/images\/a1856324-d83f-49a3-90ca-a0e3640e0467_780x438.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:438,&quot;width&quot;:780,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:48549,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null}\" \/><\/picture>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>As <a href=\"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2023\/08\/21\/77-years-ago-john-hersey-exposed-hiroshima-truths-to-the-world\/\">I hinted yesterday<\/a>, I will now return to offering a few more notes, over several days, on the full script for <em>Oppenheimer<\/em> just published in paperback and, from the looks of it, selling like hotcakes. But first, if you dare, from <em>The New York Times <\/em>today: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2023\/08\/21\/science\/nuclear-war-brain-neuroscience.html\" rel=\"\">Nuclear War Could End the World, but What if It\u2019s All in Our Heads<\/a>?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As I wrote in <a href=\"https:\/\/oppenheimer2023.substack.com\/p\/oppenheimer-script-published-new\" rel=\"\">my initial post last week<\/a>, the published screenplay, over 200 pages long, follows very closely the dialogue, voice overs, and scenes in the movie, and only rarely did I find what I thought was a slightly changed, or a missing, line. Of course, I don\u2019t have the movie on a screen in front of me at home to follow along, so I can\u2019t be sure of that, but I would judge that this published screenplay mirrors the movie faithfully, by and large.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>To my amazement, sitting in a screening room in NYC and then a multiplex theater upstate, exactly one line of dialogue in the three-hour film drew chuckles or titters in the audience, and then was often cited by reviewers and other writers, and it\u2019s probably a fiction.<\/p>\n<p>It comes during the critical Interim Committee meeting at the end of May where a room of notables briefly discuss the pending use of the bomb against, you know, people. This actually happened and in some respects the movie (as I observed a few weeks back) captures the high and low points fairly well, including Oppenheimer shooting down the idea of a demonstration of the bomb for the Japanese before actually dropping it over the center of a city. Then the subject turns to targets.<\/p>\n<p>As in real life, the elderly but still capable Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson, says they have decided on a list of a dozen cities but he has struck Kyoto from the tally, explaining that the ancient capital (so far not incinerated by conventional bombing, which we were very good at it) has enormous cultural importance for the Japanese people. His point: After we win the war and occupy the country it would be nice to not have to overcome outsized Japanese resentment if we do that. Okay, so far, so good, and even fairly reasonable, despite the context \u2013 we would just have to destroy another large city, and tens of thousands of other civilians, in exchange.<\/p>\n<p>But why the uneasy audience laughter directed at Stimson? Nolan has the sentimental Stimson add that he has a special feeling for Kyoto because he honeymooned there with his wife. Interestingly, I found, this line is <em>not<\/em> in the published screenplay, one of the few holes I spotted immediately. So it got added by Nolan at some point. The apparent reason: He has said he lets actors contribute a line here and there, based on their own research (!), and has explained in an interview, referring to the Stimson portrayal:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>There\u2019s a moment where [actor] James Remar\u2026 He kept talking to me about how he learned that Stimson and his wife had honeymooned in Kyoto. That was one of the reasons that Stimson took Kyoto off the list to be bombed. I had him crossing the city off the list because of its cultural significance, but I\u2019m like, \u2018Just add that.\u2019 It\u2019s a fantastically exciting moment where no one in the room knows how to react.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The problem is, that while this \u201choneymoon\u201d claim has been mentioned in a number of books in recent decades, there appears to be no truth to it. Close research \u2013 and I refer you to a lengthy, perhaps definitive, <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.nuclearsecrecy.com\/2023\/07\/24\/henry-stimson-didnt-go-to-kyoto-on-his-honeymoon\/\" rel=\"\">new analysis by nuclear history expert Alex Wellerstein<\/a>\u00a0\u2013 seems to reveal that Stimson did visit Kyoto twice in years past, and at least once with his wife, but very long after any honeymoon, and there\u2019s no record (in his diary or elsewhere) that he was particularly struck by it or felt anything emotional about it, then or later. And there is no record, according to Wellerstein, that he actually mentioned the \u201choneymoon\u201d in that Interim Committee meeting.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNone of the serious, scholarly accounts of the Kyoto incident mention that he took a honeymoon there,\u201d Wellerstein writes. \u201cStimson himself never claimed this in any of his published writings, from what I have been able to find.\u201d He concludes that \u201cexplaining his actions on Kyoto in World War II as a result of a \u2018honeymoon\u2019 is trivializing and misleading.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And in my view, Kyoto getting struck from the list while other cities remained targeted for oblivion would have had enough impact in that scene, without the added \u201cgag.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Why does it matter beyond that? Read <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.nuclearsecrecy.com\/2023\/07\/24\/henry-stimson-didnt-go-to-kyoto-on-his-honeymoon\/\" rel=\"\">Wellerstein for a few fascinating points<\/a>, too much to go into here. For one thing, Truman backed Stimson on omitting Kyoto, one of his few direct involvements in any details surrounding the actual atomic bombings. And despite Gen. Groves (good guy Matt Damon in the movie) almost insanely lobbying for its inclusion over and over with Stimson.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s another scene in the movie that has drawn particular attention from yours truly, and a few other critics, right from day one of this newsletter (over a month ago).<\/p>\n<p>You know, it\u2019s the one where Oppenheimer sits in a room with a bunch of others and watches some sort of images flickering on a screen as a narrator talks about (finally) some of the effects of the bomb on people in Hiroshima. One problem is that we only see Oppie from the side. The camera never swings around to show what he is seeing on the screen. Would have been so easy for Nolan to do, and long ago I posted this nearly identical scene in the 1979 PBS series on Oppenheimer, starring Sam Waterston, which accomplishes that:<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/CpodZjOSijQ\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>A lot of viewers, including this one, were uncertain what was being shown on the screen in that scene, when this took place, and who was doing the narrating. Now, I think I can clear up some of this. The narrators are his friend Robert Serber (who would marry Oppie\u2019s widow Kitty after he died) and Philip Morrison. Morrison had been among the first Manhattan Projecteers to visit Japan to assess damage (human and material) and radiation levels etc. So the scene probably is set in mid-September 1945 after his return.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks to Nolan, we can not know what was supposedly down on screen (and, of course, he never does show images of Japanese victims) but here is part of the narration. Nolan writes that it accompanies slides, not film footage, of which there was little at the time (and all of it would soon be suppressed, the focus of my book, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Atomic-Cover-up-Soldiers-Hiroshima-Nagasaki\/dp\/1468127403\" rel=\"\">Atomic Cover-up<\/a><\/em>). From the script:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Morrison: The hot flash burned suddenly and strangely.<\/p>\n<p>Serber: The Japanese told us of people who wore striped clothing upon whom the skin was burned in stripes.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Oppenheimer, Nolan suggests, must then \u201cLOOK AWAY from the screen\u201d and, as quite often in the screenplay (even more than in the movie, I think), we hear the loud sound of \u201cFOOT STAMPING\u201d that greeted his arrival at the celebratory post-Hiroshima gathering at Los Alamos. More on <em>that <\/em>crucial scene tomorrow.<\/p>\n<div class=\"preamble\">\n<p>Thanks for reading Oppenheimer: From Hiroshima to Hollywood! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"subscribe-widget\" data-component-name=\"SubscribeWidget\">\n<div class=\"pencraft frontend-pencraft-Box-module__reset--VfQY8 frontend-pencraft-Box-module__display-flex--ZqeZt frontend-pencraft-Box-module__flex-justify-center--SQPji\">\n<div class=\"frontend-components-free_email_form-module__container--OfBh4\">\n<form class=\"form frontend-components-free_email_form-module__form--LDIzl\" action=\"https:\/\/oppenheimer2023.substack.com\/api\/v1\/free?nojs=true\" method=\"post\" novalidate=\"\">\n<div class=\"frontend-components-free_email_form-module__sideBySideWrap--yhsgv\"><input class=\"pencraft frontend-components-free_email_form-module__emailInput--BLQGf\" name=\"email\" type=\"email\" placeholder=\"Type your email...\" \/><button class=\"button rightButton primary subscribe-btn frontend-components-free_email_form-module__button--WcLG9\" tabindex=\"0\" type=\"submit\"><span class=\"button-text \">Subscribe<\/span><\/button><\/div>\n<div id=\"error-container\"><\/div>\n<\/form>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><i>Greg Mitchell is the author of a dozen books, including \u201cHiroshima in America,\u201d and the recent award-winning\u00a0<\/i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Beginning-End-Hollywood-Learned-Worrying\/dp\/1620975734\">The Beginning or the End: How Hollywood \u2013 and America \u2013 Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb<\/a><i>, and has directed three documentary films since 2021, including two for PBS (plus award-winning \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/gregmitchphoto.com\/atomic-cover-up\/\">Atomic Cover-up<\/a>\u201d). He has written widely about the atomic bomb and atomic bombings, and their aftermath, for over forty years. He writes often at\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/oppenheimer2023.substack.com\/\">Oppenheimer: From Hiroshima to Hollywood<\/a>.<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Reprinted with permission from Greg Mitchell\u2019s newsletter Oppenheimer: From Hiroshima to Hollywood. As I hinted yesterday, I will now return to offering a few more notes, over several days, on the full script for Oppenheimer just published in paperback and, from the looks of it, selling like hotcakes. 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