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“This October 22-26, I am declaring Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week,” declared David Horowitz Tuesday in a friendly interview on FrontpageMag.com, one of Horowitz’s many front groups. “I will hold demonstrations and protests, teach-ins and sit-ins on more than 100 college campuses. Our theme will be the Oppression of Women in Islam and the threat posed by the Islamic crusade [????] against the West.”
Horowitz, who, along with Frank Gaffney, James Woolsey, and Rick Santorum has played a truly vanguard role in the “Islamo-Fascism” movement, apparently has few doubts about his impact. “During the week of October 22-26, 2007, the nation will be rocked by the biggest conservative campus protest ever – Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, a wake-up call for Americans on 200 university and college campuses.” The event will confront the two “Big Lies of the political left:” that “George Bush created the war on terror and that Global Warming is a greater danger to Americans than the terrorist threat.” In fact, according to Horowitz, Islamo-fascism constitutes “the greatest danger Americans have ever confronted.”
Horowitz, president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center (previously the Center for the Study of Popular Culture) editor-in-chief of FrontPageMag.com, and founder of Students for Academic Freedom, is, of course, a former leading New Leftist who has found fame and fortune – he made $352,647 in 2005, according to tax records – on the extreme right and has done particularly well since 9/11 when he got in on the “Islamo-fascist” ground floor.
“Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week,” according to Horowitz will be a “national effort …to rally American students to defend their country” and will feature “memorial services for the victims of Islamic terror both in America and around the globe” (the guide suggests putting up crosses to commemorate victims presumably regardless of their religion); sit-ins (Horowitz suggests the office of the Women’s Studies Department or the campus Women’s Centers “to protest their silence about the oppression of women in Islam”) teach-ins on ‘’The Oppression of Women in Islam;” “a student petition denouncing Islamo-Fascist violence against women, gays, Christians, Jews and non-religious people” (and press releases at the ready if Muslim student groups, campus administrators, or student government officers fail to sign); and prominent speakers, such as the American Enterprise Institute’s (AEI) Ayan Hirsi Ali, columnist Mark Steyn, Frank Gaffney, Daniel Pipes, Rick Santorum, as well as Horowitz himself.
In addition, participants will distribute pamphlets on Islamo-Fascism, including “The Islamic Mein Kampf,” “Why Israel is the Victim,” “Jimmy Carter’s War Against the Jews,” “And What Every American Needs to Know About Jihad.” Films to be shown include “Suicide Killers,” “Obsession” (about which my colleague, Khody Akhavi, wrote earlier this year), or “Islam: What the West Needs to Know.” For the films, Horowitz advises campus organizers to invite a “local radio host or other local figure to introduce the film and possibly moderate a discussion on it afterwards.” Organizers are encouraged to request funding from the student government. If is not forthcoming, according to the Guide, “it will prove the hypocrisy of your university’s claim to be committed to intellectual diversity and academic freedom.” Other possible funders and sponsors include Young Americans Foundation, the Leadership Institute, the campus College Republican club and Hillel,
The program clearly models itself after strategies employed by left-wing radicals in the 1960s and 1970s but is careful to protect the campus rules and local laws that Horowitz’s ideological enemies on the left would blatantly disregard. Organizers of the sit-ins are explicitly warned not to obstruct university operations or violate university rules. As my colleague, Eli Clifton noted, it combines some of the hardware of the 1960s student movement with the software of Horowitz’s hard-right – dare one say it? Islamophobic — ideology.
According to tax records obtained through the Foundation Center, Horowitz has been the beneficiary in recent years of a number of far-right foundations, including the Allegheny ($575,000 since 2001), Carthage ($125,000) and Sarah Scaife Foundations ($800,000) – all three are part of Richard Scaife’s empire and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation (nearly $1.3 million). The Harry and Jeanette Weinberg Foundation ($475,000) also contributed nearly $500,000 to Horowitz’s enterprises over the same period.
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What a load of old nonesense. David does not seem to be so angry against Republican supression of women, gays, etc. Not so worried about stemming the tide of right wing facism in America though is he?
Are you just that dumb or willfully blind? How can you compare Islamic radicals to Republicans? Republican suppression of women? Name three Republicans who cut off a women’s head or stoned her to death for crimes of “sexual immorality? And gays? Name three Republicans who have authored legislation calling for the arrest and prosecution of gays? Peopple like you live in a fantasy world. Wake up already! The Islamic radicals persecute women and subjugate them every single day in many different countries. As for gays, well, they think they should just be killed off all togehter. So stop with your stupid, inane and ridiculous comparisons.
HELLO WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED EVERYWHERE!!!! THEY ARE BEATEN AND RAPED IN AMERICA EVERY DAY!!! THEN THEY GO TO COURT AND LOSE THESE CASES BECAUSE THE AMERICAN SYSTEM SAYS THAT THEY BROUGHT THIS UPON THEMSELVES, HELLO OPPRESSION!!!
You have to be kidding us. You compare the oppression of women by Islamist Supremacists like the Taliban, Iran and Al Qaeda to the treatment of women in America?
If you want credibility this is not a good way of going about it.
Wow, this is probably one of the dumbest arguments i’ve ever heard on any issue, excluding arguing that illegal immigrants should be given driver’s licenses. Frankly, you need to wake up and realize that what you are saying is literally, stupid. You just suggested that America allows rape. When they go to court (which is a “luxury” that the women in the middle east for the most part do not have) and lose their case, the decision is made by a judge and/or jury. The decision is made by a person and/or a group of people, not the “AMERICAN SYSTEM.” The woman/women use the “AMERICAN SYSTEM” to receive justice, and yes in some cases I will agree that people do sometimes get the verdict wrong, but it would be unfair to lump the “AMERICAN SYSTEM” in with those people. You sound angry, uneducated and brash. Read more books, stop watching The View, and think about how good you and other women really have it here in America. You wouldn’t be able to sit at a computer, at least without your face and head uncovered, speak with men as you are now, and at the very least have the opportunity to seek justice if the same thing (rape) was to happen to you. One thing that the women in reference do not.
Tawana Brawley, Duke LaCrosse team “rape,” Juanita Broderick, Mary Jo Kopechne…wait, those last two were victims of rape/murder. My mistake.
Look, you people have an established paradigm that requires the U.S. to always be the great Satan. Always. You’ll eshew logic, reason and fact if they conflict with that bigoted assumption.
1st woman Supreme Court Justice? Ronald Reagan
1st black woman Secretary of state? George Bush…
I know, I know, because they disagree with you they’re not “real” women, and Dr.Rice is (as Harry Belefonte so charmingly put it) a “house nigger.”
The “tide of right-wing fascism” in America? Like those who want school choice through vouchers, question the morality of abortion, and believe the 2nd amendmant means exactly what it says? If you really believe these stances are akin to the genocide of Jews (wait, that’s the new trendy left-wing stance isn’t it?), then you’ve already lost your arguement. But then again you don’t argue or discuss, you rant and call names.
Tell me, honestly. Is the U.S. more liberal, or more conservative, than it was in 1963? Hmm. That was a time when the Democrat president frequently invoked the name of God in his speeches, wanted a strong military to confront communism, was opposed to abortion and wanted the civil rights bill only if it wouldn’t result in “qoutas and set-asides.”(A civil rights bill which passed, by-the-way, with 80% of Republicans and 60% of Democrats voting for it. The one Al Gore Sr. and Robert Byrd filibustered 14 hours to stop).
Gays? What U.S. persecution? Other than that this one percent of the population enjoys an income level 60% higher than the norm, has their alternative life-style taught in our schools as the equivilant of traditional marraige, and have a lock on the interior decorating industry. Let me guess…next you’ll tell me Ellen DeGeneris is a victim because her career has been ruined by her being a Lesbian! And please don’t point to acts of violance against some gays by individual brain-dead bigots as U.S. policy. They represent the U.S. no more than they represent conservatives. If you want to go there we can go on all day about violant idiots who claim to represent both side of the political spectrum.
Here’s a perfect example of the skewed “thinking” in which you indulge.
FDR is a lib icon when he;
*Proposed increasing the Supreme Court to 27 with him getting to pick the extra 18;
*Put tens of thousands of Americans in concentration camps
*Invaded the territory of a neutral nation without a declaration of war (French possessions in North Africa, 11/42).
President Bush is “war criminal” because he;
* Won his 1st election after a 7-2 Supreme court decision
*Put several hundred enemy combatants in a camp
*Invaded a hostile country that had violated a previous peace agreement (thus making it null and void)
and was in violation of twenty U.N. mandates (you do love the U.N. as long as it does absolutely nothing don’t you”), any one of which constituted a casus belli.
By-the-way Rob.. you’re a pretty sharp guy. Thanks!
You have very mistaken stereotypes about the middle east Bob. Your ignorance seems to be fed by propagandist neo-conservative media. The middle east is not just Iran and Saudi Arabia. Not to mention that in Iran women can vote, as in many other Middle Eastern countries and the laws of adultery apply to both genders. But ignorant people decide to see only what fits their ignorance.
Extremist republicans need to demonize and tar the whole Middle East to justify crusading Iraq, this is the truth. Middle eastern countries and people are not copies of each others. Similarly, many Americans, unlike you, are enlightened and know the truth.
When the U.A.E., a shipping powerhouse, bid to manage the front offices of 6 U.S. ports, it sailed through every commitee, in light of the fact that they are our strongest ally in Africa, strategically positioned by the Strait of Hormuz and is the location of our largest Navy port. Rep C. Schumer, Democ-rat, RAN UP THE RACIST FLAG and claimed, “the A-rabs are runnin’ port security!” Demonized and tarred our STRONGEST ALLY! This, brought to you by the “Smear America and it’s Allies for Personal Gain” wing of the Democ-rat Party, the Liberal left wing.
Tim,
Muslims cut off heads of death-sentence criminals because it is the best known way to take one’s life so that s/he does not suffer long. Stoning, to death, again, for both sexes. However, if the man/woman is not married, they get just flogging not death sentence. Extra-marital affairs are given the worst punishment as islamic society gives importance to familylife.
Cris.
Women’s Oppression in the Bible:
Numbers 31: 17~18
17. Now kill all the boys [not men]. And kill every woman [non-virgins=age 11 & 11+] who has slept with a man.
18. Except every girl [below-puberty & virgin girls=age 0~11] who has never slept with a man for yourselves [for you to enjoy].
32~35 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was … 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
Talmud has similar passages.
For Christinian Crusade against any other religion, refer to:
Exodus2:13~15
Numbers25:17~18
1 Kings21:20~22
2 Kings9:7~9
So, it is only a problem when Quran’s God orders to punish the non-believers?
Women’s oppression in the Talmud:
M Niddah05:03-05
You are correct about Islamic RADICALS persecuting women. This is mainly done in places like afghanistan. Other nations do not persecute women. If you go to Pakistan you will see women driving, working, not wearing hijab, and many other things. This is not done everywhere. Sure Saudi Arabia forbids women driving, but that could change pretty soon. Do not think all muslims persecute women. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) encouraged equality of men and women. His wife and daughters were active figures in Islam. Radical Muslims only veil women and bar them from certain things because of the culture in the areas where this occurs. Places in the Byzantine Empire had women veiled, and when Muslims came and conquered the Byzantines they allowed people to continue practices such as veiling. Sure Muslim women are encouraged to cover their heads but who said they have to cover their faces? This is all cultural practice people
when I said other nations do not persecute women i meant they are not as extreme as afghani practices.
Name three “radicals” that cut off their womans heads…lol, wtf man.
Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, and David Berkowitz… not to mention those serial killers still on the loose. WTF man.
oh please. they don’t chop our heads off, stoning is also rare in “most” countries. i’m a muslim woman in pakistan and i don’t know of anyone who this has happened to. sexual “immorality” is frowned upon which means we don’t necessarily have “open” societies like in the west,i’m not sure that’s such a bad thing. saves us a lot of stupid trouble! having said that, in my country for instance, the iddle classes are conservative but sex is quite rampant in the lower and upper classes. Occasionally, one does read about rare incident in the paper about someone’s family member having lost the plot over a female or male relative committing a sexual act, just as one randomly comes across a piece of news about some dopehead in texas going around shooting kids in schools! Point being there are crazy people everywhere.
i live in pakistan, which is often portrayed in the international media to be some kind of crazy wild west, however, i know noone who has been stoned or has had a head chopped off. very FEW muslims are fanatics or talibans, but THANK you (Horowitz types) for giving center stage to all lunatics so that everyone ends up thinking we’re all like that! bravo!
David Horrowitz justifies his absurd agenda by subtitling his “Islamofacist week” ‘A focus on the oppression of women’ in a poor and unjustified attempt to downplay the hateful accusations against Muslims that his organization brings forth. There are an estimated 1,209 mosques in America, Between 17 and 30 percent of American Muslims are converts to the faith, and these numbers are rising. That there is an estimated Muslim population of 5,220,000 in the United States as reported by the World Almanac in 1991, insists a much larger population today. The total worldwide Muslim population is generally estimated at slightly more that 1 billion. The types of accusations Horowitz makes is not without consequence to the great deal of American people who choose to celebrate and participate in the Muslim faith. Already, it is clear many Muslims in the United States have been subject to hate crimes that would be justified under Horowitz and his cronies as means for ‘peace’ and ’security’. Peace and security for whom? Is Horowitz presuming that only White conservative Christian Americans deserve the freedom as given by the consititution that he so willfully calls upon? Is he implying that difference in our society should not be allowed to exist? Even the name he has chosen to label this blatant hatefest, ‘IslamoFacism’ awareness, is yet another -ism chosen arbitrarily to collectively group an entire people with any sortof sympathy or care or grounding. Ultimately, it is another -ism that is misinformed and indifferentiable from other ism’s we see today, elected (by conservative radicals) to signify a people, belief system, whatever, without any sortof relationship to the fact of the people it aims to signify. Not to mention, Horowitz draws up such vocabulary that is unfamiliar to him and to many English-speakers to be registered so quickly as a label. For example, a term like ‘jihad’ has been strategically lead to mean “Holy war,” however a careful analysis of the word as it appears in religious text leads to a very different understanding of the world. The majority of Muslim scholars and Muslims themselves understand this word in an entirely different and particular sense. The Arabic word is translated more correctly from “jahada” which means “to strive,” the term ‘jihad’ derived then as a “spiritual struggle” or “self struggle” meant to apply to daily life in an assertive bettering of the self in ones’ society. The evidence for bookish and weak claims made by Horowitz are an example of many ignorant associations made by expeditions to fight ‘terrorism’ today. The ramifications of such expeditions are more costly for freedom than the average United States citizen would like to imagine. We must consider the American Muslims as part of the America that Horowitz claims to protect. We must realize the convenience (for Horowitz and friends) to use the term Muslim in cooperation with Terrorism, Arab, etc. when the reality of such relationships simply does not exist as real or true when we are talking about the entire Muslim community (might I remind the reader of the number of Muslims in the United States?) We must also remember, that even the implied ‘no-brainer’ type of association between Muslim and Arab as Horowitz assumes, is entirely incorrect, since actually the largest Muslim community in the world is located in Indonesia who’s languages include Bahasa Indonesia (official, modified form of Malay), English, Dutch, local dialects (the most widely spoken of which is Javanese). How could anyone take someone like Horowitz seriously with the list of factual evidence against his claims being more extensive than any sortof ficticious and manipulated information he chooses to justify his irrational campaign?
yes name three of ur religion who ever told the truth including ur so called god
about women rights
Christians rapped over 40,000 women in bosnia
Christians rapped women in iraq and videoed them to show pride
about human rights
crusades killed 50,000 Muslims in Jerusalem the day they invaded it
Christians tortured Muslims in Iraq afgahnestan and everywhere
Christian crimes can never be told n a reply on the web i’m just giving examples read history read your holly book which is full of killing and bloody acts
by they way about stoning women i have a surprise for u
sick minded the woman photo that is on the Christian web sites is for an actress in a movie back in 94 (nearly) and she’s still alive stupid punk
1-Mohammad PBH taught us “fear god with the two weak creatures the woman and child”meaning that they under the protection of god
2-there is a complete chapter n the quran named women (tell me about ur book)
3-there is a complete chapter n the quran named marry (peace be upon her and her child)
those r just three facts out of thousands of the only true religion on earth (islam) read quran and stop lying coz this will make u nothing but a Christian lier
I’ve went down this thread and read everyone’s comments from the far left to the far right and you all have good points and I’m not saying I agree with anything this guy is saying or any of you but the fact of the matter is, thousands of people died on 9/11 because of Islamic terrorists and to ignore it would be ignorant. At the same time not all muslims are willing to use terror against non-muslims but clearly there is a problem and many muslisms do believe in terror. The sad thing is that we can fight islamic terrorism all we want but it is fraction of a religion that will continue to grow and is not going to die anytime soon. Muslims and christians have been fighting for centuries and if history has taught us anything it is that history repeats itself time and time again. You would think that we live in an age when we would be beyond such petty indifferences but that is not the fact and as long as time exists it seems that muslims and christians will continue to be at odds. You can believe whatever you want about the war and why it came about but one thing is for sure people are going to continue to die because of terrorism whether America is at war or not. I laugh at the fact that we Americans believe we can win a “war on terror” because there can be no such victory. You cannot fight a religion and you cannot fight peoples beliefs. It’s sad to say but radical islam will continue to hurt many people including the image of those peaceful muslims out there and this “war on terror” will not end anytime soon. The only thing us Americans can do is to continue to try to defend ourselves against such attacks until the “next 9/11″ comes about because if there is anything that history has taught us about ourselves as humans it is that we fear what we do not understand, and like any animal that is afraid we seek to attack and defend ourselves from that which we fear…muslims and christians alike…
In all honesty this is probably the only comment/statement here I can actually call unbiased and impartial.
Fact of the matter is extremism is the real factor here and yes it does give Muslims a terrible reputation. There are a few things about Islam that are ‘widely’ accepted, and it IS true that there are a lot of westerners - not necessarily you lot - who only take in the images and ideas and interpretations from those around them. I had a friend in Wisconsin who thought that Muslim women are sent to the desert to die of thrist or starvation whichever comes first - for wearing a skirt. I didn’t get mad at him for ‘not knowing’ since he was simply asking me. Fact is, again, sure there are countries out there that are very very very conservative, and oppressive when it comes to women.
But here’s the difference between America and places in Southeast Asia and the Middle East. America is safer as a whole. The policemen are way more educated, there is ‘less’ corruption in the political regimes, there are also no ‘tribes’ in regions of outskirts that consider themselves beyond the government and are indeed ‘equipped’ well enough both diplomatically and physically to keep the government out of their practises. These tribes do have a loud voice in matters of politics and religious explanations, their own interpretations; radicals if you may. To the point. When it comes to Pakistan, I believe there was a survey that revealed, back in 2000, that about 10% of the population is ‘literate’. The definition of literate therein was on the basis that they could write their own names!
Now America, and the western world’s literacy rate is much, much higher than that and is not based on the fact that the individual can write their name.
What this leads to is ignorance and a blind following. If a charismatic leader tells an ignorant (But by no fault of his own necessarily - he just doesn’t have resources to access information) commoner that “Listen to me men! The western world is…a gateway from Hell!” or let’s say “Star Wars was a real government project in telekinesis that went wrong!”
Who are they to argue. They’ll believe it and they’ll follow it. It’s their religion but they aren’t educated enough to find things out on their own. Not all tribes will have this issue - and it doesn’t end with the tribes - the voices carry forward to the main municipalities and town centers as well where the common laborer or “Nawab”(Chief) practises what others have preached. It’s where it all starts.
On another note and quite likely off the point of this forum here (this is getting long and I need to get going, so just bear with me for one more minute), but I just wish to add this. This is something that a lot of religiously conservative Muslims won’t agree with - only because everyone’s been taught this from when they were a year old. There is not one place in the Quran where it says “He who is not a Muslim is bound to go to Hell in the after life”. In fact it is as simple as, if you live a good life, if you are a good person, if you have helped those who asked you for help - etc, then yes you deserve a place in Heaven. If my Hindu friends, and my Jew and Christian and Athiest friends were destined to Hell because of my religion (If supposedly it is the one true religion etc), I wouldn’t be calling myself a Muslim at all.
That is the biggest piece of utter bulls**t, if you may, that is believed by millions of Muslims out there (As well as by other religions, I believe Judaism has a similar belief as well Christianity, though I don’t know a whole lot about polythiest religions, I’m sure the some of their illiterate preachers do spread the same notion to anyone who listens) and as a Muslim myself I find this a very apt forum to get that notion spread to begin with at least.
It’s not something that makes sense ‘religiously’, it’s not something that makes any sense whatsoever when it comes to God being all merciful and benevolent, etc. I’m sure you all agree with that fact. I would argue about this further but my sister needs the computer and would really not like to be oppressed unfairly by yours truly any more.
But here’s the difference between America and places in Southeast Asia and the Middle East. America is safer as a whole. The policemen are way more educated, there is ‘less’ corruption in the political regimes, there are also no ‘tribes’ in regions of outskirts that consider themselves beyond the government and are indeed ‘equipped’ well enough both diplomatically and physically to keep the government out of their practises.
I’m sorry I was trying to sum things up and I digressed from this point, my mistake.
Point is in conservative places such as where the women do wear hijabs and cover themselves - like I said these places aren’t very educated and education as none of you can disagree with does help deflate crime. A woman does in fact don hijabs and head to toe coverings not just because she is oppressed or forced to do so, but fact of the matter is when you are in a society like that, there is a certain security in not expressing your beauty to everyone. This may be hard to understand for those who have grown up in a western surrounding because they haven’t been surrounded with this kind of general populace all their lives although the anomalies do occur I’m sure. Look this may sound crude or whatever but women are victims of rape and what not everywhere. At least in America there is, to be fair, a less corrupt police system, barely corrupt. When a woman in these conservative places gets harmed by a rapist or gets targeted for any other form of oppression, there is nothing or very little she can do to assert her right. Either she can hunt for that ‘one’ policeman who will actually help her, or she can secure herself at least a bit to keep the imagination of the general populace at a minimum. Like I said, it’s crude, but these are facts. Everyone wants sex that’s a fact, just a matter of how much. And you can’t arrest someone in a society like that for checking out about that girl walking down the street (or that guy to be fair), but why should they be encouraged? There is a time a place for everything. In a lot of countries this practise is everpresent, but things such as this take time, education is the prime factor. What more can I say? Personally I don’t agree with hijabs, but I agree that there are places out there in teh world where the women do need them for enhancing their own security. That’s it.
Anybody who supports this is an ignorant idiot. Muslim women get by fine, sure there are a lot oppressed, but what about latina women. I’m hispanic, so I can’t believe this white man stuff when it comes out, but were we from women getting beat all the time. I feel passionit about this issue, but to blame it on Islam is just arrogant. Futhermore, there is no crusade against the west, yo uguys can’t even admitt why they are mad.
Just what exactly is “republican supression of women”? Is this a new phenomenon in the republican party? This is news to me.
Beheading is humain? Ask Daniel Pearl. Not all muslins treat women like s**t? so we should just be quiet about those that do? Do you see any difference between biblical verses written 3,000 years ago and the suicide murders that took place yesterday and the day before yesterday etc.? Does my minister quote these verses to incite violence or is that happening at your mosque. It’s sad when the greatest freedom a muslin woman can obtain the right to not hide her face for fear she might give some male muslim adulterer a boner and be stoned to death for her trouble. You are responsible for your religion. If you make excuses for evil instead on condemning what you know is wrong you are just as guilty of the crime. Just so you know it’s not a stereotype when your beliefs are influenced by the majority actions of a group. If you don’t what the stigma don’t wear the stigmata.
It is interesting that Islam is the closest religion to christianity yet people are so far gone from there roots in christianity that a woman in a scarf seems opressed. No one says that nuns are opressed because of a scarf. As a muslim woman who use to be christian just two years ago I can truly say that muslim woman gain much more respect from men then so called christian men.
This Horowitz makes me sick
Thank God for David Horowitz.
He speaks the truth but some are afraid to hear it.
And by the way, it is not about hating Muslims. Moderate and more modern Muslims have been killed and persecuted by these radicals too.
Incidentally, 400,000 muslims have been killed in Darfur. And by whom? Fellow Muslims! Muslims who are of Arab ancestry and killed them because they are not.
Read for yourselves and then attack other religions. We christians need to wise up…
Numbers 31: 17~18
17. Now kill all the boys [not men]. And kill every woman [non-virgins=age 11 & 11+] who has slept with a man.
18. Except every girl [below-puberty & virgin girls=age 0~11] who has never slept with a man for yourselves [for you to enjoy].
32~35 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was … 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
mmkay, i get your point.but. there are FLAWS in ALL religions . and there are terrorists in all religions . why are we only pointing the finger at Islam? why GENERAL ISLAM . ok say if someday people start accusing your religion as the “terrorist religion” wouldn’t you try to tell people that its NOT the religion, its PROPLE who take things way to far. such as in Afghanistan when the Taliban took over. i think that is absolutley absurd . ISLAM DOES NOT PROMOTE THAT .
you can read the WHOLE QURAN [which i have done] and nowhere will it say to start beating women who go out alone .
i am not saying i am agreeing with Horowitz. but acutally in a way i am , but it shouldn’t be ISLAMO FACISM . it should be like IDIOTS WHO TAKE RELIGION IN THEIR OWN HANDS AND CAUSE A BAD NAME TO THE WHOLE .
please, i did not mean to offend anybody, i just wish people would STOP cursing at ME because i am MUSLIM .
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its these kinds of things that make people even more ignorant and then they point fingers at wrong people .
thankyou very much .
Just what exactly does it mean to be a moderate muslim?
Does it mean a “muslim” who doesnt offer obligatory prayers? follow principles of his faith? Truly believe in one God and a peaceful, clean way of life for all?
A so-called muslim, who visits prostitutes, bribes people, drinks alcohol, lies casually, promiscuous?
I am deeply sorry for everyone who thinks that teh world is a better place with MODERATE muslims only. No one can tell us how to follow our religion, it is complete and practical. Rather ask yourselves where you have erred in history and correct your ways, without inflicting hatred and pain to others, as the WEST has so passionately done and continues to do so.
Disgusting people.
Poverty, Infectious Disease, Human Trafficking, Environmental Degradation, Nuclear Proliferation? Nope, guys in caves are the real threats.
Those things are all important and, yes, we should stand up for those issues. But your missing the point. The threat of the Islamic Terrorist movement is not just about “men in caves.” It is a grave and immediate threat.
These “men in caves” were able to hijack jets and kill more Americans in ONE MORNING than at any time in our history. The Battle of Antiem during the Civil War might come close but that was not involving civilians.
These “men in caves” killed 187 people at a club in Bali, Indonesia.They killed 52 people on the London Subways and Buses.The bombed and killed innocents on the subways of Madrid.They took over a school in Beslan, Russia and killed innocent children. They bombed the USS Cole. And this list is just the tip of the Ice Berg. So please wake up to the threat we are facing!
IF you think “men in caves” were responsible for 911… hey, I have a multi-million dollar palace I’d like to sell you!
We spend how many Billions of dollars each decade on intelligence & defense, yet “men in caves” were able to get around all that, and cause not two but THREE WTC buildings to collapse by only hitting TWO of them! Wow, I don’t think we have any scientist intelligent to compete with these “men in caves”.
Get real. Go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com to learn the truth of “what really happened”, and to learn more about the fascist state our America is becoming.
Peace.
You speak my mind.
Killings by muslims is due to the oppression in mideast. But that killing is illegal. However, we are doing a larger scale legalized killing.
‘Men in caves’ live in caves not cause they like it. Use your heads for a second. Islam promoted Science back in the days, until the crusades destroyed libraries and schools and all was lost to the western movement.
These muslims have been neglected by the western controlled capitalist governments, they have been denied fair treatment and rights. They have been denied development in their respective areas. And it angers them, that they lost their culture for nothing, thier children are sucked up into the cities and many never return. The west has everything to do with this, from the very beginning with the implementation of Gold standards and Dollar trading, the IMF and World Bank.
Why dont you all go and read, Ignorance is harmful, being western [powerful] and ignorant is even worse.
They blew up the Bali complex, as a sign that the local culture, does not want this “Modern” change into liberal lifestyles, they dont want more faggs around, they dont want more prostitution and drug trafficking. Did that ever cross your mind??
How about i come build a mosk next to your house and give a call to prayer out loud 5 times a day, and you have no power over me. I bet youd be angry huh? especially if ure intolerant. But if u were muslim, and someone built a poison factory in your neighbourhood. youd do something about it.
Islamic Terrorism does not exist. Its a false accusation. and surely, time will prove Gods plan over the plan of mortals who seek help from the ignorant children of Satan.
Land grabbing, water stealing, crimes against humanity. I suggest a boycott Israel week. Simply avoid products with the bar code “7290″.
7290….THANKS ROCCO! I LIKE THE “ATHLETIC SHORTS’ (UNDERWEAR) AT ABERCROMBIE (A&F) BUT THEY ARE MADE IN ISRAEL!
OH, but NO, here in AMERICA, it is a crime, a FELONY, to boycott Israel!! Disgusting!
Do a Google search & the law will come up.
Treatment of gays! I must say I find it a little ironic that quasi-fascist right-wingers are now concerned with the plight of homosexuals in the Islamic world! It seems that they will use anything at their disposal to demonize Muslims, including liberalism. For their critique of Islam, at least the one in which they bring to the public discourse, is one you would expect a modern liberal to making,(and they do, but for mostly different reasons) not a conservative.
Yet they, by using liberalism in this manner, are clearly distorting liberalism. They are using liberalism as a means to secure an end that is antithetical to liberalism - that is to foster hate and intolerance of a particular group of people in order to affect the popular opinion in certain way that makes it more likely that a greater amount of people will support military strikes against that group of people. Appalling!!
Hmmm, is Larry Craig planning to visit the Muslim world anytime soon? If that is the case then concern for the plight of homosexuals in the Muslim world makes sense.
Foster hate and intolerance? You should see what some Muslims teach their children! Check out a movie called “Obsession.” And by the way, why should I be tolerant of people that preach hate, violance, the subjugation of women and the persecution of gays? Why should I tolerate a religion that teaches to cut off the hands of someone who steals?
And why should I not loathe and not tolerate a relgion that calls for the elimination or subjugation of anyone that does not accept that particular religion? And if you doubt it, try planning a holiday to sunny Saudi Arabia and wearing a cross or star of david around you neck. See what you will be in for in this “peace loving” country.
Read the Quran for yourself. Do you “tolerate” the vile and violant passages? Examples include verses 8:12 and 47:4.
Try reading the Quran beyond the one or two verses that you want to pick & choose to “prove” your point.
Anyone who has studied Islam and the Quran with a sincere heart KNOWS Islam is a tolerant religion. What a few PEOPLE do is another thing.
With 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world (one-fifth of the entire population of planet Earth), if they were out to get non-Muslims we would all be history by now.
Read and learn to overcome your ignorance
christians are constantly being persecuted around the world, and yet, are blamed for it because usually they’re missionaries. and everybody has this idea that as a missionary your bigoted and on a “converting crusade”. but that is not true. christian missionaries are not converting but just telling and people make their own choices about what they want to believe. and while its true that christian history has had a bloody past, it is something that has definitly changed over the centuries, and christianity is probably amongst the most tolerant religions the world.
however what the muslims (and only the extreme ones) are doing to america now, is what the christians used to do: forcibly convert people, using any means necessary. women and homosexuals aside, that was the purpose of 9/11 and all other subsequent islamist attacks on the west. they want a muslim world and will do anything to get it.
and america, and the west as a whole, fails to see that, in order to be progressive and “free-thinking”. however to NOT look at the islamist threat, or to refuse to, is to being extremely close-minded.
I stress of course that this isn’t all muslims, however, most muslims believe in their own doctrine beyond anything. and while most are not violent they have other means of fulfilling this goal of an all-islamic world.
for example, in my old neighbourhood, there was an islamic complex, of course they claimed it wasn’t, except that everybody who lived there was muslim and they had their own prayer calls and mosque. and instead of violence, each couple had at least 6 or 7 kids. if its not violence then its procreation. i know it sounds a bit conspiracy theorist but there is no other way to explain it. in my mind at least.
however that isn’t my only experience with islamism, i have family in pakistan, who are sent death threats because they’re christian. even though my family is pakistani, and have been for generations. basically, in the middle east, what the muslims are doing to the non-muslims is SIMILAR to what the nazi’s did to the jews in the 1930s and ’40s. slowly, the are trying to weed out non-”believers.”
i’m sorry if some of you disagree with me, and think i’m full of crap but this is the view from where i sit. i am not a “hardcore” christian, nor am i racist. i am just tired of people not seeing what’s happening in the world just to be “tolerant”. also, i’m not necessarily agreeing with Horowitz’s idea or methods or anything, but i think he has a point in that, america and the west should really try to be LESS ignorant. because thats part of the problem.
hahahah..u think just because some couples had more sex and eventually 6 or 7 children , that they’re Out To Get YoU? hehehe..You see, from where i sit, some americans are too afraid of everything and soo self-centered that they think everyone’s out to get them….!!! i’m sorry u think that way, but the truth is that’s your life, ur just too scared. And abt the threat ur family receives, that’s sad. those ppl (ones who threatened ur family) i’m guessing are ignorant..i dont want to make assumptions here, cuz that’’s wat kills the ppeace between groups! People like horrowitz assume too much without doing any study. Did the ppl in the islamic complex do anything to u in particular?? something that any ordinary christian wouldnt do?
Rager Blade,
I too am Pakistani, and I am ashamed of the way Christians are treated in Pakistan. However, the simple fact that a certain minority in one country is regrettably treated as second-class does not make a comment concerning the global population of one religion. Islam has tremendous appeal all over the world, but like any other religion, it has its supposed adherents who skew the tenets to serve their own purposes.
Furthermore, the status of Christians in Pakistan is akin to the status of Muslims in the US, the UK, and the West. While Muslims long enjoyed freedom and first-class citizenship, with propaganda like Horowitz’s Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, that is rapidly changing. The same way Christians in Pakistan are unfairly the object of scorn, Muslims are becoming increasingly less trusted and more reviled. Horowitz is just facilitating the dehumanization of Muslims so that abroad and at home violations of their rights become less outrageous to citizens of Western democracies.
TIM! You are such a fool. If you read the Quran.. you would realize Muslims are the only religion that accepts all other faiths. Maybe Muslims don’t neccessarily practice or preach it, but tell me who does follow their religion completely?
Who changed the Holy Bible? Pictures and statues portray Mary wearing a head scarf, and since Muslims (because they came after Jews and Christians) still follow this practice.. they’re oppressed or crazy savages. Open your eyes please. Even Christians tell everyone they’re going to hell if they don’t believe in Jesus Christ. I heard once from a coworker who stated it’s a shame that these victims of the Tsunami are all going to hell because they weren’t Christian..
Stop watching propaganda films. They are made by men. Read the quran, God’s voice as per muslims.
I read the Quran . Did not find women in trouble. But if you talk of Bible… O..yeah!!
Numbers 31: 17~18
17. Now kill all the boys [not men]. And kill every woman [non-virgins=age 11 & 11+] who has slept with a man.
18. Except every girl [below-puberty & virgin girls=age 0~11] who has never slept with a man for yourselves [for you to enjoy].
32~35 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was … 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
Temme what you think?
Cutting off a slice from the thief’s finger let’s him not-mix with the good society freely which is good. Let thieves find similar-minded girlfriends, and we the gooders, then, will get good girls.
Quran even probits smashing other religions’ monuments. Where did you find what you said?
For 8:12, 47:4, see passages in Bible:
Exodus2:13~15
Numbers25:17~18
1 Kings21:20~22
2 Kings9:7~9
Bible’s God gives order to kill too. It is only wrong when Quran’s God gives order to kill?
Yeah, do like Tim R. says: read the Quran for yourself. He’s bent outta shape about verse 8:12. Well here’s a little something about it.
Chapter 8 describes a famous battle when the Muslims, then a tiny new movement facing religious persecution, were on the point of annihilation at the hands of non-Muslims who wouldn’t tolerate their freedom of religion.
The first verse (8:1) is about war spoils. It says, when you win, don’t be greedy: the booty’s not yours, so don’t try to get away with anything. The details are up to the c.o. (in their case, their prophet). Standard operating policy for any self-respecting military.
The next three verses appeal to people’s faith, presumably to remind them why they ought to go along with the stuff in verse 1: fear God, dig God’s message, trust in God (that’s verse 8:2), say your prayers, and give to charity (verse 8:3), and God will be on your side (8:4).
Verse 5-11 gets to the setup for the actual battle. The rank-and-file were reluctant to go out and take on the bad guys (8:5-6). Looks like there was a guerilla option or something, but God wanted them to go ahead and take on the main force (8:7), so they’d be free to go forth and spread the good word (8:8). So they prayed for help, and God said he’d send them angels (8:9) and instill hope in their hearts (8:10). God then calms them down and washes them clean with rain, which cheers them up and firms up the battlefield (8:11), which was probably otherwise pretty sandy.
So now they’re out on the battlefield and we get to 8:12, the verse Tim R. has a problem with. In that verse, God says he’s with the guys who are fighting for their freedom, and will instill terror in the hearts of the bad guys, and says the thing to do is to go for their necks and fingers (8:12)—presumably, the parts not protected by armor.
Now I’ve never seen the battlefield, but I imagine in hand-to-hand combat, going for the tender spots is straight out of the army manual (and what would Bruce Lee do?). It ain’t pacifism, but I think most people will agree that in a battlefield situation, it ain’t bad advice. Sure, it’s violent. But war is hell. Good hand-to-hand tactics doesn’t make you a threat to civilization.
There are 63 more verses in this chapter. They talk about rules of war, providing for the common defense, etc. You can read those for yourself, like Tim R. wants. I will just point out this one:
If they [i.e., the other guy] incline toward peace, you incline toward peace too—surely, God’s all-hearing and all-knowing. (8:61)
That’s the Muslims for you: pretty live-and-let-live, because God says to. It says so in their own holy book. I can try to get to 47:4 if I have more time, but again—you can read it yourself.
Tim,
Have u ever even talked to a Muslim woman. Have you ever asked her how she feels about this? Let me make your life a little easier. I am a Muslim woman. I cover my head, and YES it is MY choice. It was not my father’s or brother’s choice that I wear it. IT WAS MINE AND MINE ALONE. I AM NOT OPPRESSED. It may be hard for you to believe, but in my eyes, it is your wife, mother, daughter, sisters that are oppressed. Do you not see the way they are exploited with the use of their bodies? Do people ever even just LISTEN to what they have to say rather then just check them out? Are they ever just given the respect of man who opens the door for them politely and lowers his gaze? Have they felt safe while walking out of their homes WITHOUT mace?
Maybe it’s just because you aren’t a woman, you wouldn’t understand this. I’d rather be accepted for what I have to say than for the way I look in a miniskirt.
And another thing…let’s try to fix our own country before we go around judging the way others handle theirs.
oh. and sure you have “read” the Quran, but have you even tried to understand. Read a book about the life of Prophet and see how he lived his life. you might learn a few things.
Andrew Hilton,
Im glad you see. Carry on those lines of thought see where it leads.. its a digusting world we live in.
No wonder Jesus left.
The event will confront the two “Big Lies of the political left:” that “George Bush created the war on terror…”
That’s not a lie. He did create it. He blames someone else for an attack that helped him create it, keeps harping on about bin Laden, but why isn’t the attack mentioned as a reason for the FBI going after bin Laden, or any other “Most Wanted Terrorist?”
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
Is it possible that the “big lie” is that Horowitz is a “reformed,” “repentant” leftist, a lie that I bought for a few years myself?