Micheal Kirk, producer for PBS Frontline, discusses his new documentary, Endgame, explains that Rumsfeld wanted for the U.S. to leave Iraq almost immediately after the invasion, and some of the various ad hoc “endgames” to get our troops out since 2003.

MP3 here. (8:39)

Kirk, a former Nieman Fellow in Journalism at Harvard, was Frontline’s senior producer from 1983 to 1987, and has produced more than 100 national television programs.