Chinese PM Served Up Some Sole, Too

The bottom of your shoe, not the fish. The fantastic trend of protesters showing their disdain for dictators and other official criminals by tossing a shoe (or two) at them continues in Britain, as an as-yet unidentified “European” man hurls his footwear at Chinese PM Wen Jiabao.

I recognize the advances China has made in freeing its economy and improving its treatment of its citizens, but a show of dissent is always welcome. If you agree, become a Facebook fan of the latest shoe-thrower!

54 thoughts on “Chinese PM Served Up Some Sole, Too”

  1. probably for tibet or some nonsense. I like the tai chi lady better. from when he was at the rose garden.

  2. 2 Points:

    First off, China has not made advances in human rights or basic protection of individual liberty. Clinton talked about “constructive engagement” and of course it all started with Nixon going over there. But to this very day, China, while in many ways a great nation, fails to respect basic human rights such as freedom of the press, freedom of speech, due process of law etc. And as a reward we give them “most favored nation” trading status. China is not a friend to the United States or to freedom loving countries.

    Second point, throwing your shoe at someone, no matter how strongly you may disagree with them or hate them, is a reflection on the character of the person doing the throwing. It is pureile and low-class. It is not something that should be encouraged in a civilized society. And most importantly, it is illegal. It represents an assault and battery and the person doing it can be subjected to civil and criminal liability.

    1. …China is not a friend to the United States or to freedom loving countries…

      And neither is Israel !!

      ….throwing your shoe at someone, no matter how strongly you may disagree with them or hate them, is a reflection on the character of the person doing the throwing….

      But bombing hospitals and killing civilians in Gaza shows character, right !!

      Did you eat paint chips as a child or something ??

      1. Corkey,

        I never said bombing and killing civilians in Gaza is right. I think Israel should do more to minimize civilian deaths, and I value the lives of innocent Palestinians just as much as the lives of innocent Israelis. However, as I have said many times before, I don’t believe Israel intentionally bombs civilians, perhaps they are reckless yes, but its not intentional. Hamas on the other hand intentionally bombs civilians. And again, as I’ve said before, Hamas hides behind women and children and keeps their rocket stockpiles in schools and hospitals. Over the last few years over eight thousand rockets were fired at Israel, fired out towns that are well within Israel’s internationally recognized borders.

        But wait a minute here! I thought we were talking about China? So Corkey this is called a “red herring” where you have tried to diver attention away from the issue at hand. And you’ve done a good job at it I might add. Oh and last thing, why the immature comment at the end? Can we be respectful to one another even if we might disagree on things?

        1. “According to Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, Israel has conducted state-sponsored genocide against the Palestinians for decades and intensively in Gaza. In a September 2006 Electronic Intifada article titled “Genocide in Gaza” he wrote:

          “A genocide is taking place in Gaza….An average of eight Palestinians die daily in the Israeli attacks on the Strip. Most of them are children. Hundreds are maimed, wounded and paralyzed. (It’s become) a daily business, now reported (only) in the internal pages of the local press, quite often in microscopic fonts. The chief culprits are the Israeli pilots who have a field day,” like shooting fish in a barrel. Why not, they’re only Muslims, so who’ll notice or care.”

          http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/112608Lendman.shtml

        2. The Israeli government did indeed withdraw from the Gaza Strip in 2005 – in order to be able to intensify control of the West Bank. Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser, Dov Weisglass, was unequivocal about this, explaining: “The disengagement [from Gaza] is actually formaldehyde. It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so that there will not be a political process with the Palestinians… this whole package that is called the Palestinian state has been removed from our agenda indefinitely.”

          Ordinary Palestinians were horrified by this, and by the fetid corruption of their own Fatah leaders, so they voted for Hamas. It certainly wouldn’t have been my choice – an Islamist party is antithetical to all my convictions – but we have to be honest. It was a free and democratic election, and it was not a rejection of a two-state solution. The most detailed polling of Palestinians, by the University of Maryland, found that 72 per cent want a two-state solution on the 1967 borders, while fewer than 20 per cent want to reclaim the whole of historic Palestine. So, partly in response to this pressure, Hamas offered Israel a long, long ceasefire and a de facto acceptance of two states, if only Israel would return to its legal borders.

          Rather than seize this opportunity and test Hamas’s sincerity, the Israeli government reacted by punishing the entire civilian population. It announced that it was blockading the Gaza Strip in order to “pressure” its people to reverse the democratic process. The Israelis surrounded the Strip and refused to let anyone or anything out. They let in a small trickle of food, fuel and medicine – but not enough for survival. Weisglass quipped that the Gazans were being “put on a diet”. According to Oxfam, only 137 trucks of food were allowed into Gaza last month to feed 1.5 million people. The United Nations says poverty has reached an “unprecedented level.” When I was last in besieged Gaza, I saw hospitals turning away the sick because their machinery and medicine was running out. I met hungry children stumbling around the streets, scavenging for food.

          It was in this context – under a collective punishment designed to topple a democracy – that some forces within Gaza did something immoral: they fired Qassam rockets indiscriminately at Israeli cities. These rockets have killed 16 Israeli citizens. This is abhorrent: targeting civilians is always murder. But it is hypocritical for the Israeli government to claim now to speak out for the safety of civilians when it has been terrorising civilians as a matter of state policy.

          The American and European governments are responding with a lop-sidedness that ignores these realities. They say that Israel cannot be expected to negotiate while under rocket fire, but they demand that the Palestinians do so under siege in Gaza and violent military occupation in the West Bank.

          Before it falls down the memory hole, we should remember that last week, Hamas offered a ceasefire in return for basic and achievable compromises. Don’t take my word for it. According to the Israeli press, Yuval Diskin, the current head of the Israeli security service Shin Bet, “told the Israeli cabinet [on 23 December] that Hamas is interested in continuing the truce, but wants to improve its terms.” Diskin explained that Hamas was requesting two things: an end to the blockade, and an Israeli ceasefire on the West Bank. The cabinet – high with election fever and eager to appear tough – rejected these terms.

          http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-true-story-behind-this-war-is-not-the-one-israel-is-telling-1214981.html

    2. So what’s your point??? What are you suggesting? That we should attack China? Not trade with them? What exactly are you saying we should do here? Countries around the world don’t have to be “friends” with America you know. Did China invade Iraq under false pretences? Does China have its warplanes flying off the coast of California like we have ours crashing on Hainin island killing a Chinese pilot? Does China spend as much money on “defense” as the rest of the world combined? Are there 700 Chinese military bases around the world? Does China keep troops in Mexico a few hundred miles from our borders like we do in South Korea? Does China interfere in Hawaii like we do in Taiwan? Did China attack Serbia in an illegal war and bomb the American embassy killing its occupants? I’d choose China’s foreign policy over America’s any day of the week.

      1. Andy,

        No, I am most certainly not suggesting we go to war with China! But as much as you might admire China’s foreign policy, there can be doubt that China is not free country and is in fact a country that for the most part has no respect for basic human rights. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, peaceful assembly, these are all things we in America and the West take for granted. But what about all those peaceful Chinese protesters who have been arrested and are still in jail because they wanted to protest at the Olympics? What about Tieneman Square? What about their bellicose statements toward a true democracy and free country, Taiwan? What about the suffering of the people of Tibet? In all of your admiration for their foreign policy, you seem to have forgotten some of those things.

        No, in no way am I suggesting we attack China. That is absurd. But we can revoke their favorable trading status, we don’t have to roll out the red carpet every time Hu Jintao comes to town, and they should never have been given the honor of hosting the Olympics.

        1. “there can be doubt that China is not free country and is in fact a country that for the most part has no respect for basic human rights”

          That’s funny considering China has had a code of conduct, laws, and an organized Government longer than the UK has been a country, from where the ideals you claim to support evolved into the US Constitution.

          China isn’t some perfect Utopian Disney World, but it’s none of my business, since I am not a citizen of China.

          “Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, peaceful assembly, these are all things we in America and the West take for granted.”

          Of course – “Free Speech Zones”, NSA recording phone conversations, Tear Gas and Shot Guns at Anti-Government rallies, and detentions of Muslims without evidence.

          “But what about all those peaceful Chinese protesters who have been arrested and are still in jail because they wanted to protest at the Olympics?”

          What about them Timmy? Why is it you care about Chinese protesters but support violence against Arab/Muslim protesters?

          “What about Tienanmen Square?”

          No doubt a black chapter in China’s history, just like lynchings and government supported violence against minorities, anti-war protesters, and organized labor in US history.

          “What about their bellicose statements toward a true democracy and free country, Taiwan?”

          Yeah they should be more like old “Honest Abe” and reduce the Separatist’s cities to rubble. And Chiang Kai-Shek(the founder of Taiwan) was no more a democrat than Mao Ze-Dong.

          In a couple of years Taiwan will likely peacefully rejoin with China, the only country standing in the way is the US. A country that under no circumstance allows separatism within its own borders.

          “What about the suffering of the people of Tibet?”

          What about the suffering of the freedom loving people of Palestine?

          Personally I would like to see a Quality of Life graph comparing Tibet 60 years ago to today, are they really “suffering”?

          And anyway Timmy, the US Government is not about to let the Native Americans form their own countries within US borders, after previous US Governments conquered them.

          “No, in no way am I suggesting we attack China.”

          Yeah because that would be suicidal.

          “But we can revoke their favorable trading status”

          Do you want to buy $500 shoes?

          “they should never have been given the honor of hosting the Olympics”

          That is not up to you or the US to decide.

    3. Tim R. unwittingly reveals typical western or American arrogance here. A belief that “our” values are universal. This mentality played a role in causing the Iraq fiasco. The world is not dying to be remade in America’s image. Not everybody has an ‘American’ inside of them just waiting to burst out when the marines march in. Consider Hong Kong. It was ruled by Britain for about a century. Were there ever any revolts or pressure from the local Chinese there for democracy? Not at all. They were quite content to let the British run things and do the administration while ordinary Chinese went about their business and tried to make money. The Han character is not what Tim imagines.

    4. But to this very day, China, while in many ways a great nation, fails to respect basic human rights such as freedom of the press, freedom of speech, due process of law etc

      “Respect” human rights as does Amerika, where citizens publicly exercising their right to free speech by opposing public policy are confined under armed guard in “free speech zones”, where people SUSPECTED (not convicted) of crimes have their property confiscated by State, or where the Chief Executive can declare one of his nation’s citizen an “enemy combatant” and detain them indefinitely without charge, trial, or due process of law?

      1. Liberranter,

        As a matter of fact, you are wrong. Jose Padilla, an American citizen was held as an “enemy combatant” and the United States Supreme Court declared that the President did NOT have the authority to do that and he had to be given a full trial. As for property being confiscated based on suspicion, I am not sure what you are talking about. As for free speech zones, the Supreme Court has said that freedom of speech is not absolute. You can’t yell fire in a crowded movie house. And the police have a right to maintain order and regulate the time, manner, and place of protests of public safety is at risk. Last but not least, I resent the way you spell America. If you hate this country so much, go move to Iran, maybe you would like it better there!

        1. As for property being confiscated based on suspicion, I am not sure what you are talking about.

          Have you ever heard of “asset forfeiture”, Timmy? It’s a favorite weapon in the extra-Constitutional, illegal, immoral “War [sic] on Drugs”, a weapon through which the State seizes a citizen’s property, without due process of law or recourse for reclamation, if agents of the State even SUSPECT the citizen of drug-related activity. (BTW, I don’t for a second believe that you’re unfamiliar with this tactic.). Please tell me how this abominable practice squares with the clear text and clear intent and meaning of the Fourth Amendment prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure (not to mention the Sixth Amendment guarantees of due process and right to a speedy public trial).

          As for free speech zones, the Supreme Court has said that freedom of speech is not absolute. You can’t yell fire in a crowded movie house. And the police have a right to maintain order and regulate the time, manner, and place of protests of public safety is at risk.

          You know better than to think that you can use extra-Constitutional fiats from the SCOTUS as justification for any argument in this forum. That body has done more to destroy the very Constitution it has sworn an oath to uphold than perhaps any other State institution. Still, it really amuses (and sickens) me to no end how neocons like you rush to cite some SCOTUS verdict when it agrees with your pseudo-conservative, freedom-crushing beliefs, but waste no time excoriating that same body as an outlaw to be ignored or sanctioned when it renders a decision or sets precedent you don’t like.

          I’m also not surprised at your pathetic attempt to justify suppression as “dangerous” of the exercise of free speech as a means of expressing disagreement with a political figure or their policies. You know better than that too (although once again, what else are we to expect from a fascist neocon?). The exercise of one’s right to free speech to express such disagreement IN NO WAY equates to “yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded movie house”, and you damned well know it. What it does do is prove to you and your pals just how much dissent there is against the fascist state you look forward to having your neocon heroes impose upon the rest of us and just how willing we are to defend our rights, lives, and property against your tyrannical encroachment. God knows, the Regime can’t abide THAT, can it?

          You know, Timmy, much as I hate the rise of tyranny in this country, I truly look forward to you and your neocon brethren getting a nice fat taste of your own medicine under the Obama Regim. I’ll laugh myself sick when you and your neocon pals become victims of the same speech suppression tactics that your beloved Bushtard’s state police used on your political enemies over the previous eight years. You want a police state, Timmy? Fine. You’ll get to sleep in that rock-hard bed once the chambermaid from the opposing party, with a whole new agent inimical to your own makes it up. Be careful what you wish for.

          Last but not least, I resent the way you spell America. If you hate this country so much, go move to Iran, maybe you would like it better there!

          ***GUFFAW!*** I knew he’d eventually run out of ammo and fall back on the old neocon “America – Love it or Leave It!” canard…

          1. I’m sure you’re well aware, Timmy, that I (nor, probably, any of the rest of us here) don’t give two dried pieces of rodent excrement what you resent. I’ve referred to the perversion of this country that you and your fascist neocon brethren have created in much nastier terms than mere substitution of a single letter, and will continue to do so regularly for the foreseeable future as the country I love morphs into an unrecognizable, freedom-devouring monster. If you can’t stomach that, go find another, friendlier forum to troll in.

          2. I, unlike you and your brainless, fascist cohorts who wish to destroy the nation that the Founders bequeathed us, LOVE America. Unfortunately, “America” no longer exists; it has been replaced by “Amerika”, an entity brought to maturity by your hero, G.W. Bushtard, and is a cancer which you so obviously love and that you are hellbent on seeing metastasize until it destroys us all.

          As for “leaving”, I’m not going anywhere, chump. I’m going to stay right here, IN MY COUNTRY, and fight to restore MY COUNTRY, America to the state it was in when it won its independence. I will do so by doing my part to stop the lethal infection that you and your kind represent, committing every ounce of my being and every last resource at my disposal. I was going to say “See you on the battlefield, Timmy”, but as a neocon you’re no doubt going to stay as far aware from any actual conflict, of any kind, as you can and force someone else’s flesh and blood to fight your battles for you. Again, what else would we expect from a brainless neocon?

        2. Well if there is anything I like about China it’s their “speedy trials” for Corrupt Officials and Businessmen who do things like pour poison in baby food. One hour and proceed to the Firing Squad.

          No Multi-Billion Dollar Retirement or “House Arrest” like many Corporate Criminals receive in the US.

  3. “China has not made advances in human rights or basic protection of individual liberty”

    so what

    “It is pureile and low-class.”

    so what

  4. If I were a leader who had pissed people off I’d take a “low-class” shoe thrower over a “high-class” assassin any day.

    It makes me wonder if the world’s intelligence agencies are practicing their aim. Throwing shoes, that is. It would NOT surprise me.

    My personal preference would be a pea shooter. A fine American tradition going all the way back to The Little Rascals. “Friends, Romans, Countrymen…” It provides a nice sting without the messiness of pies.

    Then again, squirt guns might be nice. Wait. Bad idea. They’ll think it’s real (or so they’ll say) and… you know…

  5. Think of regular shoes as small arms fire. What we need is heavy artillery: big ol’ honking jackboots with hobnails flying through the air at tyrants. Rubber galoshes could be chemical weapons and rank tennis shoes the biological weapons of mass destruction. There must be something dirty socks–the kind that stand up by themselves–could be put to in the war against despots. Sandals, flip flops, crocs, the arsenal is endless.

  6. This is such a laugh! Fancy the man copying an Iraqi hero and totally incapable of seeing that the Iraqi protested the mass murder of innocent people in Iraq. The copycat is probably indenial that his other hero the Dalai Lama is a stooge of the CIA and has a bizarre and cowardly view of the US occupation of Iraq – it is “too early to tell….” he said…

    If our copycat shoe-thrower has better things to do he should make the Dalai wear his Gucci shoe on his head – no doubt the gerbil-bashing Gere would get him a new pair!

    Priceless comedian!

  7. Very sad that antiwar.com is hijacked by chinese imperialists and other anti-americans.

    “incapable of seeing that the Iraqi protested the mass murder of innocent people in Iraq”???

    The communist->fascist regime of China invaded completely different neighboring nation, destroyd her ancient culture, killed fifth of her population and continue wiping out her identity and history and language like they did to mongolians, uighurs and manchrurians.

    It is “bizarre and cowardly” of Chinese imperialists to even mention Iraq and their own murderous colonialism in Tibet in same sentence. Americans finally learned the truth about neocons and voted them out. America is not wiping out Arab language, history and identity, not even Iraqi ones, but they are committed to leaving the country to its own people and elected Iraqis. Not colonizing Iraq and annexing it to their totalitarian policestate empire. Like others americans are paying for Iraqi oil. Chinese imperialists simply steal Tibet’s vast resources to use by profittering communist party leaders billionaire children and other cronies.

    If that Iraqi was angry at Bush, imagine how Tibetans feel about China’s genocidal terror or Hu Jintao click who ordered terror and torture of peaceful Tibetan protesters already since late 1980s.

    1. I’m not saying Tibet doesn’t have good cause to be angry with China, but, TO BE VERY FRANK WITH YOU, this is not America’s problem. It is TIBET’S problem. This crazy idea that so many people seem to have that America is the world’s ‘dirty Harry’ ready, willing and able to intervene around the world is wrong, wrong, wrong. The simple, if brutally unpleasant for you, truth is that America can easily live with a Chinese-dominated Tibet. We (at least our political and media elites) live quite happily with an Israeli-dominated west bank. Personally I don’t favour taking ANY sides.

      1. Being antiwar doesn’t mean you can ignore war and violence around you.

        If you see raping of a girl, do you not try to stop it? Or beating or shooting someone?

        Animals only help their own group. In this modern time of easy mass murder peaceful humans should stand together for human rights and against injustice and state-controled violence.

        Someone said that fascist put their own interest and their government/empire above all others. Many countries and peoples speak words of peace and justice but then act like nothing happened. In the morning they have ceremony to never forget Jewish holocaust and in the afternoon they have celebration with China’s communists who do holocaust against Tibetans every day. I think the protest in England was against this hipocrasy.

        1. There is a lack of specifics in what you say. Empty rhetoric is not any good. Are you saying the United States should intervene in China militarily? That is a LOT DIFFERENT from stopping a hypothetical sexual assault on someone. In my opinion no American intervention has ever done any good at all. Often the opposite.

        2. My point was that America, England and also other democratric countries claim to represent human rights and justice but business even with genocidal dictatorship is their leaders main value. Chinese regime needs that business and uses it to grow their global political and military power.

          I would support that civilized countries intervention to stop genocide, but of course China has big nuclear arsenal and army so now is too late. Military is almost always wrong answer but Tibetan government was very foolish and too peaceful not to see what Mao and also Stalin and Hitler was doing.

          But why treat that country like it was not criminal? Why not use trade to help peaceful and demoratic countries instead? Becuase of greed? It is hipocrasy and a very bad sign for future of human rights and democracy.

          I understand that Chinese want to become rich and powerful but killing and terrorizing peaceful neighbors should be stopped and business only encourage their rulers. China’s regime and indoctrianated people don’t know any reason to stop because they get to rape Tibetan resources and also business with West.

          I like Obama and hope he can support justice better than Bush, but Mccaine suggested to have a union of democracies and I like that idea too. Just stopping supporting regime that is repressive and genocidal would be signal about justice and human rights.

        3. I’ll pull a very Ron Paul supporter thing and suggest you do some homework on the founding principles of our country. Please do yourself a favor and read a few libertarian ideas. A good place to start is lewrockwell.com

          You may find that you like what you read if you can keep an open mind. Start by looking for answers about your China questions. Think about what you propose while you do this.

          You should quickly see that the answer is never military use or sanctions. Free equal trade with all nations makes the world a better place. Sanctions against China will only hurt the poor, not the rich. No good ever comes from the state. You as an individual can do far more. You can donate your time and money to Tibet if that’s where you think it would do the most good. I prefer to spend my time and money helping people here in the states, as well as waking people up about the evils of the state.

          Please don’t just be another sheep going along with the herd. Saying that you like Obama and possibly McCain shows a true lack of knowledge and independent thought. You come across as someone who is simply repeating something someone has told you without having done any research yourself. You owe it to yourself to self educate and stop taking for granted everything you hear or read as somehow correct. knowledge itself is useless without the ability to understand what you have learned and that requires critical thinking.

          Peace!

        4. “I would support that civilized countries intervention to stop genocide”,,,

          That’s very easy for YOU to say. I prefer to keep my life and limbs. I might sacrifice them for Tennessee or Texas, but not for Tibet.

          I also think that trading with China is a very good idea. It gives China a vested interest in peace and prosperity and is mutually beneficial. What good has the 50-year old embargo on Cuba ever done? Are you suggesting we not trade with China? I see no gain at all from that.

        5. Andy, I don’t take armed struggle lightly and like I say China is too heavily militarized any way, like Soviet Union. Military intervention against Cambodian communists (killing fields) would have helped save countless lives and suffering. But of course Chinese communists were backing Pol Pot so maybe even that wasn’t possible. Actually Vietnam did intervention and stopped the madness there and now Cambodia is peaceful and free.

          What I explained was not feeding the terror regime with normal or even beneficial trade. China must change inside but Chinese people will only demand end to dictatorship if it doesnt pay. Because of nationalist brainwashing Chinsese don’t know at all about Tibet reality.

          If democracy and freedom are at all imporant why feed the militaristic fascist state destroying its neighbors and not prefer trade with all the peaceful democracies? Isn’t that simple and moral way to act? To stop destruction of fellow human beings and Tibet is also ancient civilization?

          I don’t know libertrarian thinking but if they think fascism rule is fine and ruthless destroing whole peaceful civilization just business as usual I am not one of them.

          Cuba is not democratic but they are not agressive or invading other peoples nations. It is totally unlogical to have embargo against Cuba but massive money support for China.

        6. I disagree. Trade with China is a positive and helps build up influence. Cuba has no raeson to do what America wants. There is no “carrot” of trade to entice them. Distant Canada probably has more influence in Cuba then America does. Engaging China in trade is a good thing. I guess we just disagree on the matter.

        7. If you Mr. Anonymous think it is such a great idea to create hostility with China nobody is stopping you. Go right ahead, but leave us out of it.

    2. “America is not wiping out Arab language, history and identity, not even Iraqi ones, but they are committed to leaving the country to its own people and elected Iraqis. Not colonizing Iraq and annexing it to their totalitarian policestate empire”.

      Wow, what planet are you from? Invading a nation, detroying it’s infrastucture, killing a million people and making 4 million orphans, and millions displaced, building permanent bases and the largest embassy the world has ever seen: No I guess that’s not totalitarian policestate empire activity at all. And of course we haven’t stolen any oil we pay for it. Yah sure right, who has the oil contracts now, the US and Britain or Iraq?

      As for China and Tibet, knock yourself out and protest all you want, hell fly over there and chain yourself to a tree for all I care, just don’t ask me to do it for you. How the US government behaves towards China affects me and every other US citizen. Acting in a belligerent manner towards China is of no use whatsoever. Our government should be minding it’s own business and leave the rest of the world alone.

      Peace!

    3. “The communist->fascist regime of China invaded completely different neighboring nation”

      The US was formed through conquest of other people’s lands. Tibet had already been part of China beforehand and only separated when the Chinese Government became weak.

      “destroyed her ancient culture”

      Did they? I was under the impression that most of the original cultural landmarks are intact.

      “killed fifth of her population”

      Entirely possible, but, the British had been slaughtering Tibetans many years before, are you going to call them Fascists also?

      “continue wiping out her identity”

      What was Tibet’s identity? A Theocratic Peasant state?

      “mongolians, uighurs and manchrurians”

      Do each of these people speak their language and practice their beliefs in current China? Do you actually know from first hand experience? Or did you read this on some website?

      “Americans finally learned the truth about neocons and voted them out.”

      And did the occupation of Iraq end on the day the new Government took over?

      “America is not wiping out Arab language, history and identity”

      Really? The US Military bulldozed the remains the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian cities to build bases and air strips. Historic monuments were destroyed or have disappeared.

      “but they are committed to leaving the country to its own people and elected Iraqis”

      After the US friendly puppets are firmly in control. Just like in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman, and Egypt.

      “Not colonizing Iraq and annexing it to their totalitarian policestate empire”

      Oh? Who controls Iraqi Oil Companies? Who provides “Security” in Iraq? Who controls the Budget and spending? The US Empire operates through a network of Protectorates not Assimilated Provinces.

      “Like others americans are paying for Iraqi oil.”

      What Americans? American Oil Companies control Iraqi Oil, all the main contracts were written in favor of US Oil Companies.

      “Chinese imperialists simply steal Tibet’s vast resources”

      And what “vast resources” are these? You forget the US dominates NOT ONLY IRAQ.

      “profittering communist party leaders billionaire children and other cronies”

      Again WHAT vast resources?

      “Hu Jintao click who ordered terror and torture of peaceful Tibetan protesters already since late 1980s”

      That is interesting, tell me, who was the leader of China back then?

      1. It is very sad when someone mix their anti-americanism with totally unlogical support for Chinese militry dictatorship and invasions.

        “Tibet had already been part of China beforehand”

        China has always wanted to rule all non-chinese neighbors. It is called imperialism. Before Tibet was sometimes claimed by mongol or manhchu or chinese emperor like other neighbors but never colonized or ruled or oppressed or sinicized before Mao’s communist army invaded.

        “destroyed her ancient culture”

        “Did they? I was under the impression that most of the original cultural landmarks are intact.”

        WHAT? The Chinese communists burned and bombed over 6000 monasteries and melted ancient religios objects of gold and silver to finance Mao’s army politics. Thousand years of Tibetan Buddhist learning was systematically destroyd. Only very few monasteries were left standing. Before they were the center of religion, science, law and government!

        Hu Jintao was made top communist leader because he brutally suppressed Tibetan Uprising as CCP leader over Tibet and proved blind nationalist loyalty to Deng and Li Peng.

        “Chinese imperialists simply steal Tibet’s vast resources”

        “And what “vast resources” are these?”

        http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=23525

        You are mixing everything with anti-american and pro-china propaganda and always playing down China’s crimes and Tibetan suffering? Why??

        http://www.tibetanyouthcongress.org/facts_about_tibet.html

  8. To “Escaped from Chinese Imperialism” everything you wrote was like a breath of fresh air on here. Not only was it logical and historically accurate but I can feel the passion that you have for this issue. I understand it well. Please understand that many Americans agree with you. China is not a free country and it is a disgrace that America supports such a regime. Instead we should use our influence in more positive ways. China needs us more than we need them. We should use our economic leverage accordingly and pressure them to shape up.

    And to Andy, yes, call me crazy but I think freedom is a God given right of every human being and I believe it is a universal human right that knows no borders.

    1. Tim R,
      I call you crazy because you say you respect the individual freedom of every human being as God given and freedom is a universal human rights that knows no borders; and then every day you come to the rabid defense of one of the nastiest, racist, land-stealing nation of criminals to come along in years. How can your poor brain maintain such dichotomy?

      1. Richard Vajs,

        There is no dichotomy. The people of Hamas and the radical Muslims in general do not believe in freedom, unless it is freedom to follow their radical version of the Quran. In Israel, freedom of religion is protected. When I was in Jerusalem I visited all of the holy sites and they are all given protection and equal access by the Israeli government. The only area where there is any sort of problem is up in the Muslim Quarter at the Dome of The Rock Mosque. The Dome of the Rock Mosque is the only area where Jews are sometimes barred from visiting.

        You always seem to lambaste Israel but you let the Mulims off the hook and act like they are such believers in freedom and goodness when nothing could be furthur from the truth. When a 47 year old was recently allowed to “marry” an 11 year old girl in Saudi Arabia, did that bother you? When Iranian law says that a girl as young as 9 can be forced to marry, does that bother you? When Muslims torched the Tomb of Joseph a few years ago did that bother you? How come you only get upset when Israel does something and let everyone else off the hook?

        No Sir, I defend freedom everywhere and in every country. I believe each and every Palestinian has and should have the same basic human rights that I do. But in your hatred of Israel and your calling these Muslim terrorists “resistance movements” you fail to recognize that they have no respect for freedom of religion, freedom of speech or any other kind of Freedom.

        1. Tim R,
          Why do I criticize Israel when more egregious examples of inhumanity exist? What about Hitler, Stalin, Mao and his “Great Leap Forward”, the Khmer Rouge, even the Hutus? Well most of the just mentioned are examples are temporary madness – a blind rage that overtakes men from time to time causing them to act like animals. And most of the insanity was directed internally – destruction of the self.
          Israel is different. Through 40 years (actually more like 100) and different freely elected administrations, through all of the tides of opinions that sweep over nations one goal has always been foremost – steal the land of the Palestinians; compensate them not; abuse/starve/expel them; and slaughter them when possible. This cold-blooded attitude by the Israelis is not some temporary insanity, not some moral failing of the leaders, but instead seemingly the soul of Israel. And all of this is not due to poverty and pain but due to arrogance and a feeling of entitlement to more – always more.
          This attitude and behavior, I find to be profoundly inexcuseeable. Sorry, Tim R, but Israel is a monster.

    2. Just like Bush supposedly thought with Iraq and thousands of OTHERS died because of it. But not you though Tim.

  9. Intentions are everything in America. Did we gratuitously make war on another country, causing its people to die by the hundreds of thousands? So what? We meant well, and that excuses all. Of course, as Glenn Greenwald points out, every aggressor country could use the same reasoning America has. But we’re special. Normal reasoning, morality, and justice are inapplicable to us.

    Like God, we stand above the fray. As David Limbaugh said on the Mark Levin show, whatever America does is necessarily and always right. There is no standard of right and wrong outside of what America does. We make the standard. Indeed, we are the standard. That’s why nothing we could ever do could qualify as torture. No war of ours could possibly be immoral. No person’s blood we spill for any reason could conceivably stain our hands. When our very actions define what good is, we cannot possibly do evil. No so-called patriot dares call this lunacy.

  10. Like God, we stand above the fray. As David Limbaugh said on the Mark Levin show, whatever America does is necessarily and always right. There is no standard of right and wrong outside of what America does. We make the standard. Indeed, we are the standard.

    Sounds like a quote from the Evangelical-Dispensationalist Bible. You know, that one that consists of the Old Testament plus the Book of Revelation (with commentary and analysis).

    1. Yeah, and certain chapters conveniently missing and ignored such as the one with the Sermon on the Mount. The Evangelical-Dispensationalist Bible is the same playbook used by the Romans to justify their cruelty and indifference. The difference is that the Romans didn’t know any better as they were polytheistic. When many got to know the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they repented and changed their ways.

    2. Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza

      “All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

      Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.
      According to Jewish war ethics, wrote Eliyahu, an entire city holds collective responsibility for the immoral behavior of individuals. In Gaza, the entire populace is responsible because they do nothing to stop the firing of Kassam rockets.
      The former chief rabbi also said it was forbidden to risk the lives of Jews in Sderot or the lives of IDF soldiers for fear of injuring or killing Palestinian noncombatants living in Gaza.

  11. Here as usual Tim R goes on repeating the same old canard about some many diferrent topics,siting discridted notions ,and stories about so diverse groups that happened to oppose Israeli aggression.But here a few examples of Israel ,the land of freedom and democracy.
    On August 21, 1969, there was a fire inside al-Aqsa Mosque that gutted the southeastern wing of the mosque. Among other things the fire destroyed was Salahuddin Ayubi’s minbar.[20] Initially, Palestinians blamed Israel for the fire, and some Israelis blamed Fatah, alleging they had started the fire so as to blame Israel and provoke hostility. However, the fire was started by neither Fatah nor Israel. The arsonist turned out to be a tourist from Australia named Michael Dennis Rohan. Rohan was a member of an evangelical Christian sect known as the Worldwide Church of God.[23] He hoped that by burning down al-Aqsa Mosque he would hasten the Second Coming of Jesus, making way for the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount. Rohan was hospitalized in a mental institution, found to be insane and was later deported from Israel.[24] The attack on al-Aqsa is cited as one of the catalysts for the formation of the Organization of the Islamic Conference in 1971, which brought together dozens of Islamic countries.[25]
    In the 1980s, Ben Shoshan and Yehuda Etzion, both members of the Gush Emunim Underground, plotted to blow up the al-Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the Rock. Etzion believed that blowing up the two mosques would cause a spiritual awakening in Israel, and would solve all the problems of the Jewish people. They also hoped the Third Temple of Jerusalem would be built on the location of the mosque.[26][27] On January 15, 1988, during the First Intifada, Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and tear gas at protesters outside the mosque wounding 40 worshipers.[28][29] On October 8, 1990, 22 Palestinians were killed and over 100 others injured by Israeli Border Police during riots that were triggered by the announcement of the Temple Mount Faithful, a fringe group of religious Jews, to lay the cornerstone of the Third Temple.[30][31]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque

    While all Muslim citizens of Israel are allowed to enter and pray at the al-Aqsa Mosque, Palestinian Muslims living in the West Bank or Gaza Strip face several restrictions. Palestinian males must be married and 50 years of age and women must be married and 45 years of age to enter the mosque. Palestinian visits are therefore rare during most of the year, except during the month of Ramadan. Israeli reasoning for the restrictions is that older, married Palestinians are less likely “to cause trouble”.[72]
    The site of the mosque is not accessible to Jews due to a restriction placed on them by Israel’s chief rabbinates in 1967. Their position was that the Jewish people were “ceremonially unclean and might accidentally tread on the place.”[73] Israeli governmental restrictions only forbid Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount, but allow Jews as well as, other non-Muslims to visit for certain hours on certain days in the week. Several rabbis, and several Zionist leaders have demanded the right of Jews to pray at the site on
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque

    A large part of this camp openly adheres to the teachings of Meir Kahane, whose face was displayed everywhere by marching settlers on their shirts, flags and posters. Kahane publicly preached what many of the settlers, and perhaps most of them, say in private: that God not only promised us this country, but also commanded us (in the book of Joshua) to eradicate the non-Jewish inhabitants. They have no place here. If they cannot be terrorized into leaving by themselves (“voluntary transfer”), they must be eliminated. In the words of one of the rabbis on TV this week, if they don’t leave, they must “pay the price”. This includes, of course, also the million and a quarter Arab citizens of Israel proper.
    One of the leaders of the march, Tsviki Bar-Hai, declared on TV: “The struggle is about the character of the state.”
    Ninety-nine percent of the many thousands seen on TV this week wore kippas, and many of them had beards and peyoth. The women wore long skirts and had their hair covered. All of them are “born-again Jews” or belong to the “national-religious” camp – a nationalist-messianic sect that believes that it is paving the way for “redemption”. It must be clearly understood: in Israel, the Jewish religion has undergone a mutation that has completely changed its face.
    There is no agreed scientific definition of “fascism”. I define it as having the following attributes: the belief in a superior people (master Volk, chosen people, superior race), a complete absence of moral obligations toward others, a totalitarian ideology, the negation of the individual except as a part of the nation, contempt for democracy and a cult of violence. According to this definition, a large proportion of the settlers are fascists.
    It has been said about the Weimar Republic that it was not overthrown by the “brown shirts”, but collapsed by itself, because at the moment of truth almost no one was prepared to stand up and defend it.
    Last week, thousands of “orange shirts” marched towards Gush Katif, in a distant echo of the 1920 “March on Rome” by Benito Mussolini’s “black shirts” that overthrew the Italian democracy. Some 20 thousand soldiers and police were mobilized to stop them. On the face of it, the army and police won, since the orange shirts did not reach the Gaza strip. But for three days, under the blazing sun, the rebels put on public display their determination, unity and discipline.
    There was a cacophony of voices. The settler men and women shouted, their brainwashed children screamed, the red-faced, sweating babies cried in their mothers’ arms, the leaders made speeches, army and police officers yelled orders. Only one voice was absent: the voice of the Israeli public.
    During these three fateful days, not one of the leading intellectuals, no writer like S. Yishar, Amos Oz, A.B. Yehoshua or David Grossman, no important professor, no poet or artist raised their voice against the settlers and their allies. The many personalities who had fallen in the past into the trap of “conciliation” with the settlers and “cultural pacts” with the extreme religious right did not dare to extricate themselves now and point out the great danger to the democratic state. One of their excuses was that they did not wish to be seen as supporting Ariel Sharon.
    None of the big public organizations – from the Bar Association and the Chambers of Commerce to the Journalists’ Association and the academic bodies – found it necessary to raise their voice in defense of democracy, while the orange militants were flooding all the TV channels, which made no attempt to present other views. The Silence of the Sheep. The silence of Weimar.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery07252005.html

    Woman beaten on J’lem bus for refusing to move to rear seat
    “Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem’s Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal advocacy and women’s organizations, and at the same time, waiting for the police to apprehend her attackers”
    http://haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=801449&contrassID=19

    German student to be deported for alleged ‘missionary work’
    “A student from Germany is set to be deported Friday, after the Interior Ministry determined that she was doing missionary work.”
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/988168.html

  12. But it is not only in military discourse that Palestinians are dehumanised. A similar process is at work in Jewish civil society in Israel, and it explains the massive support there for the carnage in Gaza. Palestinians have been so dehumanised by Israeli Jews – whether politicians, soldiers or ordinary citizens – that killing them comes naturally, as did expelling them in 1948, or imprisoning them in the Occupied Territories. The current Western response indicates that its political leaders fail to see the direct connection between the Zionist dehumanisation of the Palestinians and Israel’s barbarous policies in Gaza. There is a grave danger that, at the conclusion of ‘Operation Cast Lead’, Gaza itself will resemble the ghost town in the Negev.

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/web/14/01/2009/papp01_.html

  13. Compelling Palestinians to participate in military operations and to act as “human shields”

    In Nablus, as in Jenin, the IDF frequently compelled Palestinians to participate in military operations, including as “human shields”. The IDF compelled Palestinians to scout areas to ensure safe passage of soldiers, to enter the homes of other Palestinians during military operations and as a first person through “mouse-holes” (the holes drilled through house walls by the IDF to enable them to move from house to house).

    http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node/%250A482

  14. Oh I don’t know, at least the UK is not Chinese occupied territory, because Mr. Shoe Thrower might be in “real trouble” then.

    Can’t these people be creative? Bring in a Poitou Donkey with a sign saying: “Kiss my hairy Ass Mr.(insert individual’s name)!” It would be humorous and would make a statement.

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