Laurence Vance Speech on Christianity And War

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1. Laurence Vance is a true hero of REAL Christian values. His speech before the FFF on Christianity and War was one of those life changing speeches for me. The man is brilliant.

2. President Obama says we are not at war with Islam. No, we are not. We are not at war with moderate, modern-minded Islam. But as for radical Islam, they are at war with us! And the sooner these Nevile Chamberlin types get it through their heads the better off we will all be! Holding hands and making nice with these people will not work!

   As for Christianity: We are not fighting in the name of Christianity. Don’t you people get it? Its not just about Christianitiy. Its not just about Judaism. Its not just about the United States or Israel. It is about all of western civilization! The radical Muslims want to DESTROY all of western civilization. They want to destroy freedom of speech, they want to destroy freedom of religion (unless you are a radical Muslim of course) they want to destroy the rights of women. They want to destroy the rights of gays. In short they want to destroy freedom.

   OBama goes to Saudi Arabia and meets with King Abudullah. He says how he was struck by the “wisdom and graciousness” of the King. Are you kidding me? Did the President ask the wise King why women in his country can’t drive cars or even ride on bikes? Why gays are still stoned to death? Why 40 something year old men are allowed to “marry” 11 year old girls?

   Did he ask any of these questions to that fat old pedophile King? No! So therefore Obama’s policy towards Saudi Arabia is no different than George Bush. He is kissing their ass just like Bush did and its disgusting!

   1. Tim R. brings to mind Pogo Possum’s observation: We have met the enemy and he is us!

      God Bless Laurence Vance. America, and the rest of the world, need his wisdom. As for Tim’s hysterical assertion that..”And the sooner these Nevile Chamberlin types get it through their heads the better off we will all be!”, Mr. Vance’s recent article – Buchanan’s Necessary Book; http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance173.html – is the antidote to this poison.

      “Holding hands and making nice with these people will not work!”, is not what Jesus said,
      but then, who is our Lord and Savior when we have Tim to instruct us!!

   2. Are they also trying to destroy the eastern world too? I guess China, Vietnam, the two Koreas, Japan, etc, are on the ‘hit list’ too, huh? What about south and central America? I guess they are planning to destroy Chile, Costa Rica, etc? As for women riding bikes what the Saudis decide for themselves in their land is their business, not yours.

   3. What do you mean by freedom of speach?

   4. Tim,
      you are nothing but a broken recording of a parrot repeating the same thing over and over!

   5. What a bunch of nonsense! Civilizations are far sturdier than most think. Western civilization, over the millenia, is not “freer” than the others. (Actually, a demand for uniformity is very clear.) The Middle Eastern civilization, Western Civilization, Byzantine civilization (Russia, Greece, Serbia, inter alia) are Siamese triplets, not only pretty much alike, but inseparable. (That’s why their people can argue about the same things!) You need to go to India or China for really alien civilizations.

      If you want to kill, go get a job at a packing plant.

      Lester Ness
      Kunming
      China

   6. Sure Tim a handfull of “radical Muslims want to DESTROY all of western civilization”. I’m shaking in my boots! Well I think I better run out and convert to Islam today, tommorrow may be to late. I guess I should also give up my Freedom right now because those nasty Muslims won’t stop trying to kill me all until I do. Oh wait I guess I could just give up 99% of my freedom right now, if that’s what it takes to win the war on terror (so I can be Free).

   7. America nuked Japan, just to get and grant the kind of wish that Tim R. is wishing. That kind of talk from America is not new at all.

3. The way some “believers” talk about current events you’d think that God was out of touch with the present realities. As though He said something two thousand years ago and didn’t have the foresight to see into the future! It isn’t about epochs or eras or fads or fashions but the nature of humanity… and that does not change so the words uttered then are as relevant as they are today so long as they are applied. Either He said what He said and meant what he meant or He didn’t which makes Him a liar and a lunatic and anyone who follows is likewise a fellow fool. You can’t have it both ways.

   1. It's quite true that lots of Born-agains have a low view of God. They see him as a super-televangelist, not the Great King, I fear. They long for the Rapture because they don't want to take responsibility for the problems around them.

      Lester Ness

      Kunming

      China

4. There is no such thing as radical Islam,nor radical Christianaity.

5. Shulamit Aloni / Israel is controlled by religious fanaticism

   http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090366.html

6. The Rape of Gaza

   http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/440067/the_rape_of_gaza

7. Jesus killed Mohammed:
   The crusade for a Christian military

   http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488

8. An Army of ExtremistsHow some military rabbis are trying to radicalize Israeli soldiers

   http://www.slate.com/id/2214440/

9. It is also crossing a line, one that has not been crossed since the days of George Herbert Walker Bush – and you can bet the Israel lobby is not going to take this lightly. Expect a full-bore attack from the Israel Firsters, the “liberal” types like Haim Saban & Co., as well as the neocons and the Religious Right. To make matters worse – from the Lobby’s point of view — I think the President has a real understanding of the Palestinians’ plight, as evidenced not only by his denunciation of the “settlements” – an easy target – but his phraseology when he described the conditions under which people must live in the occupied territories.

   …..

   I cannot see how Congress – which is, as Pat Buchanan quite accurately put it, “Israeli-occupied territory” – is going to sit still for it. AIPAC’s gears are already turning, and the propaganda machine is slated to go full blast.

   http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-words-words-words/

   1. Lear K. They all have a full understading of the Palestinians’ plight they just don’t give a flying fork. And if you believe that somehow Barry Soetoro is different your sadly mistaken. This man will say anything, ANYTHING he is a true politician and can pander with the worst of them.

      As for Tim R. Don’t they say that ignorance and bigotry go hand in hand? If not they should because it sure seems to work for some people.

      Peace!

10. Lear K is as nutty as Tim R. Americans are to blame for their own mistakes. The real reason the US does crazy stuff in the Middle East is 1) vanity; 2) Dispensationalism. We get our oil from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela.

    Why so many Americans are obssessed with driving big cars and re-fighting Fantasy WW II, I do not know.

    1. I would say that a certain very, very, powerful lobby has more then a little to do with America’s self-defeating ‘obsession’ with the middle east. I would also partly blame the M.I.C. complex too (it needs an enemy – any enemy – to justify its parasitic existence). Likewise America has a corrupt and dysfunctional system of government and functions to all practical intents and purposes as a one-party state. As for America’s obsession with WW2 (the so-called “good war”) I think this has to do with the fact that America lost the peace to the USSR. It replays its crushing defeat of Germany and Japan as a sort of physchological “consolation prize”. Then there’s Hollywood’s usual mythmaking too. By the way Lear K is a valuable contributor to this blog. I think you are too. Let’s keep everything good here.

       1. Andy,

          Thank for the encourging commennt here .It was very refreshing.

    2. Lester: I think you fail to distinguish between two basic types of evil American interventionism.

       (1) There is first of all the old-fashioned sort of colonialist interventionism, in which a powerful state crassly and brutally pursues its own material interests, or that of its economic elite. This sort of selfish, bullying behavior is exemplified especially by the long history of US depredations in Latin America, and by such crimes as the 1953 overthrow of Iran’s democratically elected government by Britain and the US, in order to undo Iran’s nationalization of its oil industry. Explicit political support for this kind of aggression is mostly located on the nationalist political right.

       (2) There is, on the other hand, the much more peculiar and existentially dangerous case of the US’s plainly self-destructivel devotion to Israel, which leads it to undertake or threaten gigantically costly military aggressions that are plainly, almost unbelievably, contrary to US material, objective interests — even as reckoned from the crassist, most nationalistically selfish vantage point, and all for the sake of the Holy State of Israel. THIS kind of aggression is bipartisan to such an extent that any vote in Congress that touches on Israel’s pet issues – such as the ritual demonization of Iran — typically passes with the kind of unanimity one otherwise sees only in the puppet parliaments of totalitarian states. Because US aggression in support of Israel has virtually no political brakes on it, and because it has no material basis in any US interest, this is the kind of aggression that is the greatest threat to the American people and to the whole world. It is pure, religious/sentimental fanaticism, driven by a powerful lobbying apparatus that has a unique mass psychology in its favor (and that’s a whole other issue).

11. Lester,
    Would you care to explain how am I as nuttty as Tim R?!

12. Lester, As you have not explained what you mean by nutty,let me say that I do not see Tim R as nutty person but he is far from it.He is very committed to Israel’s cause which to him trumbs aany other concerens.He has no conceren for the plight of women,gays,freedom,or whatever!These things are used by people like Tim R as pretexts to have the US engaged in actions that farther the hostilities between the US and the Arabs and Muslims which the graet majority of Israel suporters wish to continue with davistating consqunces.

    My posting of links was to educate people and show that radicals,extremists,and terrorists are not just muslims in nature.

    Labeling has always been used by propgandists,and colonists to dehuamnise others to justify their own actions.The Indians,people in Asia and Africa were labeled as savages,uncivilised ,premitives ..etc.

    Tim R has used similar method as when he put the Label radical before Islam ,the first thing would stick in the minds of people is the word “radical” with the same effect as the word savage etc.

    His inteneded audiance is not most people here,but people who aleardy have baises against Islam and Muslims.

    You ,Less,as the inteligent person that you seem I would think would refrain from labeling people whom you disagree with with such a label!

    1. Lester is certainly not pro-Israel, but he is also not sympathetic to the idea that there is any particular problem with the Israel lobby in American foreign policy. I disagree, and I think you do, too. Israel’s power to exert a noxious influence over US foreign policy is a particularly acute, dangerous, and distinct problem for the United States, and not one that we can assume will take care of itself if we just keep fighting the general problem of American imperialist arrogance. Lester’s position is basically one of classic anti-Americanism. He views any particular focus on the Israel lobby as an attempt to shift the blame, which resides entirely in the inherent evil of the United States.

       1. With a “friend” like Israel the U.S. doesn’t need any enemies. Just ask the poor guys on the Liberty.

          1. No question about that, as far as I’m concerned.

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14. You know what I don’t understand? We are all adults on here. I don’t get it. Why do so many people ( though certainly not all) have to resort to childish name-calling and insults? I have always tried to be civil and respectful of others. I don’t insult other people. But yet every time I write somehing sure enough I get nasty insults hurled my ways. I guess I’ll take it as a badge of honor. I must be getting under people’s skin.

    1. Tim R. I can answer that one for you. It’s because you are a bigot! As you think it’s fine to insult a large portion of the world with you hate filled comments, I’m not too concerned with how people don’t treat you with respect. Most reasonable people are offended by bigotry and yes you get under their skin in the same way as skinheads do.

       I guess it’s only fair to use childish insults when refering to people not on this site such as your earlier comment “fat old pedophile King”. So your not only a Bigot but also a hypocrite.

       Did that answer your question Dillweed? (just giving you another badge of honor)

       Peace!

       1. Brad,

          Can you specifically tell me how I am a “bigot?” It is very easy to throw labels around, much harder to come up with specfic evidence to support such labels. I have made a distinction between moderate Islam which I fully respect and radical Islam which I have every right to loathe and detest. I recognize that while radical Islam has a substantial percentage of adherents there are also plenty of Muslims out there who are fine, good, decent people. So explain to me just how I am a bigot?

          1. Brad doesn’t have to explain himself, certainly not to you.

    2. It is YOU who do the very things you speak out against here. Did you not say all Saudis are scum? Have you not twice called me anti-Semitic simply because I do not share your love of Israel? It is you sir, who does not act like an adult.

    3. Tim R. asks: “Why do so many people ( though certainly not all) have to resort to childish name-calling and insults? ”

       I don’t know, Tim.

       Why does an ice cream truck’s tireless repetition of an inane little tune make some people feel like screaming?

15. Just wondering if I have been banned from this site. Not once but twice I tried to reply to Tim R. and both of them got kicked off. I guess I can no longer state my point of view. Sad to say but I won’t be donating anything again. If the Z word or the J word is against policy why don’t you say so?

    Peace!

    1. I’ve had the same thing happen to me too Brad. I can mention the Israeli lobby but when I use the “J word” in my commentary they never seem to post.

       1. I have to post over three times where I tried to refute Tim R argument about the fallacy of the term Radical Islam ,but none was posted either!

16. I think its good decision what he did.,

17. Very interesting!I’d like to see how far he goes and how well the word will get out.,

18. Hi! The post is really interesting! I’ve read your blog and can say it’s a good job.thanks,

19. If you want to kill, go get a job at a packing plant.

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